There are so many possible autism interventions discussed in this blog, it clearly is not always easy to know their relative merit.
There are so many people now diagnosed
with autism it is no longer such a meaningful term. The most extreme autism I think I will have
to start calling really severe autism. A
scale of 1 to 100 would be much more helpful than the current levels 1, 2 or 3.
I suppose Elon Musk and Greta are level 1.
One reader did recent describe the
effects of bumetanide in his child as being game changing. I think it is an excellent description to
use. For our reader Roger, Leucovorin
was a game changer.
Another reader wrote to me to give an
update about his three year old
“After 3 months of bumetanide treatment I've seen
improvement on his cognition, like, he is now able to finish an apple and take
the end to the trash by himself or enter in his room, turn the lights on, take
some toy, turn lights off and close the door or eat his lunch by himself. He is
smarter now.”
This reader is well on his way to finding the additional
elements for his son’s personalized polytherapy and the way he is going about it is likely
to yield optimal results. Most of what you need is tucked away in this blog somewhere. It is a case of who dares wins.
Using my scale of 1 to 100, with Elon
and Greta in low single digits and many people referred to at the blog of the US National Council of Severe Autism mainly at 80-100, we can put interventions
into a bit more perspective.
It is still far from perfect because
most people with really severe autism reach a plateau in development at a very
young age. This matters because as a
three year old they do not look/behave so differently to a typical child, but
by the time they reach 18 years old, the difference is gigantic.
If you could delay the onset of this
developmental plateau for a decade the result would be transformative. Based on the longitudinal studies to
adulthood, it looks like about 80% of severe autism reaches a plateau at the
level of a 2-3 year old. The other 20%
continue to learn, but at a slower rate than typical children.
In the case of the autism which is
<10, like Greta and Elon, very small issues can still become very
troubling. There was inevitably bullying
at school from mild to severe, there likely was (and still is) anxiety, perhaps
an eating disorder, perhaps some self harming or even suicidal thoughts.
If you fine tune the brain a little to
reduce anxiety and improve social/emotional responsiveness, you can trim
someone’s score from a 15 to a 9 and make them feel much better. Job done.
For someone with an IQ of 50 (i.e.
severe intellectual disability), non-verbal, non-literate, who is sometimes
aggressive and exhibits autistic behaviors, you are going to need much more
than fine tuning, you need a game changer.
Then you can go on and fine tune things to give further incremental
improvement.
One doctor reader did suggest to me
that, in effect, five moderately effective interventions might equal one game
changer.
In the case of autism that I deal
with, the most important step was raising cognitive function, not treating what
people consider to be autism. I think
that this applies to almost all people with a score 50 to 100. Even if it was never actually diagnosed, the
barrier to progress is low cognitive function and a severely reduced ability to
learn and acquire new skills. This has
to be fixed and for many people the tools already exist.
Improving cognitive function
Game Changer
· Bumetanide
(also Azosemide, KBr and, possibly, Betaine with the same effect of
lowering chloride inside neurons)
Fine tuning
· Atorvastatin, reducing cognitive inhibition
· Micro-dose Clonazepam, shift E/I imbalance
· Low-dose Roflumilast, raising IQ
Reducing autistic behaviors
Fine tuning
· NAC
· Sulforaphane
· Verapamil
· Oxytocin
· BHB
· Pentoxifylline
· Agmatine
· Clemastine
· DMF
· Leucovorin (Calcium Folinate)
Interventions with a slow course of action
Some interventions, for example
pro-myelinating therapies (like clemastine and Tyler’s N-acetylglucosamine), or pro-autophagy therapies, may
take a long time to show effect. I think you may need to first see very
tangible results from other therapies, which are much easier to assess.
As Roger will want to point out, in
the case of Cerebral Folate Deficiency Leucovorin was the game changer.
In the case of other metabolic
autisms, a single therapy may also be the game changer, like the Greek boy for
whom high dose biotin resolved his previously severe autism.
In the case of Fragile-X, there seem
to be potential game changers galore.
The latest is plugging the leaky membrane in mitochondria that is
allowing ATP to leak out, using a research drug dexpramipexole,
or potentially the related and already approved variant Mirapex ER (pramipexole).
Mirapex is used to treat the symptoms
of Parkinson Disease and Restless
Legs Syndrome.
Hopefully, Dr Naviaux's Suramin will be a game changer for some. More of that in the coming post on leaky ATP.
Conclusion
I am told where we live that Monty’s
autism is “fixed”, or by one autism Grandad we know, “he’s 80% fixed”.
If you started life with (really) severe
autism, even 80% fixed means you are still pretty autistic, much more so than
Elon and Greta, but far less so than the now adult “children” over at the
National Council for Severe Autism, who have really severe autism and often had
a very early plateau in development.
Monty has finished his year-end exams. Overall, the grades of his NT classmates are pretty terrible, maybe due to Covid disruptions. I told Monty’s assistant that if he can come somewhere in the middle, without her doing the tests for him or having extra time, that is a great result, regardless of the grade itself. In all his subjects he comes in the middle. In the English educational system, Monty is now a C student, maybe even with the odd B or D; so not something to boast about. What really is amazing is this person could not figure out 9 – 2 = 7, at the age of 9 years old, prior to starting bumetanide and his Polypill therapy. Now he is nearly 18 years old.
If you find that your young child is a
genuine bumetanide responder, but later struggle to source it, take a close
look at what untreated severe autism looks like by adulthood. Then you may choose to redouble your efforts
to get hold of your game changer. Some readers are getting it from Egypt,
Pakistan, Nigeria, China, Austria and many from Mexico and Spain. In Brazil you can buy it only in a
compounding pharmacy. The lucky ones get it at their local pharmacy, which is
what should be possible for everyone and one day that might even happen.
There are countless fine-tuning
therapies that may be potentially effective in a particular person. They are certainly worth having; you just
have to look at what is available and cost effective.
There will soon be a post about leaky
ATP in Fragile X and autism.
Two readers have highlighted the
research suggesting that Betaine might have a similar effect to
Bumetanide. It does not block the NKCC1
transporter, but it may reduce the mRNA that produces them, so the net effect
may potentially be similar. At much
lower doses, Betaine is a common autism supplement. This will be covered in the next post.
I strongly believe that raising cognition will take care of the behaviors that are most challenging, however I have also been quite unsuccessful with this (so far). Today, I was very upset with my son trying to open the car door when we were driving on a highway. I had pulled over and in the course of expressing my displeasure asked "Can you say properly 'I am sorry'?" and he repeated "properly say I am sorry". I wanted to cry :(
ReplyDeleteWe desperately need a cognition big hitter. Bumetanide did not work, and I might try Acetazolamide at some point. For now, working through other therapies and hoping to find success.
ReplyDeletewao, this really deserves a standing applause, you really are a giver of hope, when i got to this blog i had faith again.
Melisa
Hi Peter.
ReplyDeleteI really want to try Bumetanide, but I cannot convince any doctor here to prescribe it. I live in the UAE, and doctors here are really reluctant to prescribe it for off-label use. While I am not happy about trying this without a doctor's supervision, do you think that may be a viable option ? I feel really frustrated that there is a therapy that could really help but I am unable to access it.
The only real supervision a doctor can give is to order blood tests for potassium. One parent I know found his doctor was happy to order these tests, but not to prescribe bumetanide off-label.
DeleteWhy not check if you can get blood tests easily in UAE, from your doctor or direct from the lab.
Thanks Peter. I will try this approach. Fingers crossed.
DeleteIn UAE everything is question of money, lab test can be done direct from the lab. I tried Bumetanide on my son without the lab test, it was easier than expected but unfortunately he doesn't seem to be a responder. Peter, I'll drop you email with the details soon, sorry for the delayed feedback but all the family got covid and I was really sick. I got bumetanide without prescription from Egypt, everyone in UAE has someone in Egypt :) FYI my son is 3.3 old.
ReplyDeleteGood luck to all,
D.
Well, you are quite correct in your assessment of the UAE ;)
ReplyDeleteI believe that Bumetanide is a prescription drug in the UAE, but it is possible to obtain one without a prescription(as long as you don't act too suspicious at the pharmacy)
I respond to one fact in text Peter - is there a chance to buy Bumetanide without prescription in Austria?
ReplyDeleteLos Palos, you cannot buy bumetanide in Austria without a prescription. Austria is a good country for those living nearby where Bumetanide is not available, but the local doctor is nonetheless happy to write a prescription. The parent can then go to Austria and buy a one year supply (if it says so on the prescription). This is like the Polish people going on holiday to Spain and buying their one year supply, but they will have to visit a dozen pharmacies, not just one.
DeleteHi Peter
ReplyDeleteWould you happen to know your son's IQ before and after Bumetanide?
Thanks
SD
SD, some parents do have the before and after IQ scores and sometimes choose to use the old one because the lower IQ gives you access to more free services.
DeletePeople with severe autism, like almost all with Down syndrome,have an IQ less than 70 and often much less. I think we are looking at an increase of at least 30-40 in genuine bumetanide responders.
In our case we have no free services and were advised that there was no point measuring IQ, if you do not have to. It just upsets the parents.
We did however make very extensive use of ABBLS (the Assessment of Basic Language and Learning Skills). ABBLS assesses, on a continuous basis, the broad range of skills a child needs. My NT son had all these skills while still 3 years old, by autistic son still had big gaps at the age of 9. He taught himself the missing skills after starting bumetanide. He figured out basic maths, use of prepositions and other missing skills.
I would like to get Bumetanide without prescription. Is it possible to order from any website?
ReplyDeleteI live in Netherlands. How to get Bumetanide without prescription? what is the best way to get it?
ReplyDeleteIf you go to Spain you can buy Fordiuran in any pharmacy for less than EUR 3. They give without prescription if you ask nicely. Many people buy online from Mexico, where it is called Miccil, but you pay much more than the regular price, because you have no prescription.
DeleteI live in Netherlands. How can I buy Clonazepam and
DeleteRoflumilast? any guidance or websites?
In the Netherlands there are psychiatrists who are prescribing off-label therapies to people with autism. I would start looking for one of these more progressive psychiatrists. Roflumilast was developed at Maastricht university, who hold the patent for its low dose use to raise IQ.
DeleteClonazepam is one of those drugs that some people abuse, whereas Roflumilast is not. But many people with autism have anxiety and some are prescribed Clonazepam at the regular dose for that. Some parents of those with autism are treated for depression and anxiety; some are prescribed Clonazepam.
Some doctors are happy to write prescriptions in the name of the parent, but not the child with autism.
In light of the extraordinary amount of censorship regarding contrarian opinions on COVID-19, its origin, transmission, treatments, and now the vaccines, I have pretty much lost all trust in the CDC in telling the truth.
ReplyDeleteNow with regards to autism and the CDC, I came across this today with some really explosive allegations that made my stomach turn upon reading them:
https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/06/you-are-a-pathetic-liar-cdc-senior-scientist-to-cdcs-head-of-immunization/
Obviously the accused should have the opportunity to defend and explain themselves before rushing to judgement, but if even 10% of this is true, it would suggest thousands if not millions of parents with autistic children who in the past suggested their child was injured from the MMR vaccine, have all been erroneously branded as crazies by the media and popular culture with unforgivable levels of gaslighting for questioning "the science". What kind of people would ever do such a thing? I really hope these reported facts are untrue or else highly exaggerated because I am not sure how I or anyone else can keep calling themselves an "American" in a country that would do this to their own children and cover it up. I know I am not going to rest easy until I figure out if any of this is real.
I'm going to say that some of the claims on the rest of her website do not inspire me with confidence that she is correctly reporting the situation. She is certainly massively misreporting other stories. So until I see something from a more trustworthy source, I am not going to rush to judgment.
DeleteTyler, I think it is now known that there is a risk of mitochondrial disease triggered by vaccination. Personally, I believe in giving people 100% of the facts and not worrying that they are too dumb to understand them.
ReplyDeleteI liked the comment of one of the Chinese doctors who told the media that no vaccine is 100% effective or 100% safe, it is a balance of risks and benefits.
Once you start covering up genuine facts, it never ends well. Better to stick with the truth, even if it creates other problems.
Well in the supposedly leaked emails, one of the scientists at the CDC was reprimanded for simply suggesting what you are suggesting. Saying anything other than the narrative that vaccines are 100% safe and are responsible for 0% of autism or any other developmental disease or syndrome gets you fired.
ReplyDeleteAlso, in light of some discussions people are having in response to therapies to deal with rising vaccine injuries around the world, it was suggested that Suramin might help. You have covered Suramin in multiple blog posts for its anti-purinergic effects, but one thing I did not realize is that it has been suggested you can get a good dose of Suramain from pine needle tea, when it was my understanding it was a difficult drug to get a hold of. I have not really followed the researcher who proposed Suramin (Robert Naviaux which you have covered before) so this is the last I have heard of it.
https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/doubt-greets-reports-suramins-promise-treating-autism/
Pine needle tea can be very acidic from the large amounts of Vitamin C and obviously care should be taken with regards to the ATP inhibiting properties of Suramin, but considering people have been making pine needle tea for thousands of years, I don't consider it excessively risky. Definitely a topic worth discussing further if you ask me.
Tyler, there is always a risk when you inject foreign substances into someone's body.
DeleteWhen negotiating the price for Covid vaccines, countries had to agree who carried the risk of possible side effects.
In the US you have had a vaccine compensation scheme for 35 years.
National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Injury_Compensation_Program
Well it is my understanding 100% of the risk of vaccine injuries are carried by the individual taking the vaccine while the pharmaceutical companies who make the vaccines are indemnified from being sued for injuring or killing people and health care companies do not have to pay for vaccine injuries because the vaccines are classified as experimental.
DeleteThis is nefarious in two huge ways. For one, the pharmaceutical companies profit no matter what happens as there is zero risk to their bottom line whether the COVID-19 vaccines work or not. Secondly, because health insurance companies are not required to pay for COVID-19 vaccine injuries, it encourages people (and their doctors by extension) to be quiet and blame the vaccine side effects on anything but the vaccines. In fact, it makes sense to simply blame vaccine injuries on COVID-19 as your health care bills will still be covered, but if you suggest the vaccine actually damaged you, then you are financially responsible for everything personally (this is likely just an American problem). Not sure if this is more financial genius or else policy madness when it comes to who concocted this plan, but it is pretty clear who the winners and losers are in these scenarios.
Also, the VAERS system which is more or less just an information clearinghouse for people to report problems (doctors or individuals can file reports), has at least 6,000 deaths now attributed to the COVID-19 vaccines while studies on VAERS for all other vaccines in the past has suggested only 10% of people who suffer injuries or death from a vaccine (flu vaccines, etc.) ever make a report. This suggests that on the very low-end there have been perhaps 60,000 deaths already in the United States that could be directly attributed to the vaccines. My hunch is that the 60,000 number is much much higher because of the financial reasons mentioned above that incentivize under reporting or outright lying about a vaccine related injury or death, plus the shame and social stigma many people have in admitting they might of been foolish because of how politicized public health issues have become in the COVID era. Oh and then if you go read /r/CovidVaccinated on reddit.com you will see insane levels of Stockholm Syndrome when it comes to people being in denial about the serious health issues they are facing while praising the vaccines and the health care companies at the same time. My gut believes that you may have 200,000 dead from the vaccine so far, though teasing out the truth will be hard to do until the numbers for excess deaths are calculated in the future (the reporting of deaths is not instantaneous and can sometimes not get logged into a national database until many months later). Of course, the "Delta Variant" narrative may end up being used to blame almost all of the vaccine deaths on COVID-19 so even if many excess deaths are found, they can be blamed on COVID-19 anyways (and people are incentivized to do so).
On top of that, yesterday the World Health Organization reversed course on recommending vaccines to anyone under 18 after the United States has been vaccinating millions of people age 12-18 in the last month or so without giving any context into why they made that decision. The WHO of course also has behaved similarly with regards to its guidance on masks (said they were useless, then said they were necessary, and now say they are something between useful and not useful) as well as PCR cycle thresholds used for testing as they literally lowered the recommendations to 28 cycles literally an hour after Joe Biden was inaugurated as President (i.e. they have all but discredited themselves permanently, at least in my eyes even though it might of just been a coincidence to change the parameters of PCR cycles which effectively rig the COVID false positive rates one way or another).
DeleteI really don't want to get political on this blog and generally am not a political person, but I must also mention you now have American social media companies now mass censoring the posts from family members of children who have died or else were injured by the vaccines. These are generally vaccine enthusiastic liberally minded people who believed they were helping out society by getting their children vaccinated and yet they cannot even mention publicly on those platforms what may have happened to their child on the grounds any sort of discussion might contribute to "vaccine hesitancy".
Lastly, considering more vaccine injuries and deaths have now occurred via VAERS in the last 6 months than in the last 30 years, how would the government ever possibly pay out enough money to compensate people who have died or else been seriously injured from the vaccines (and this is assuming there have only been 6,000 deaths). You are talking potentially hundreds of billions of dollars on the low-end and trillions of dollars on the high end.
Of course in some countries things are even worse with regards to public polioy so maybe I should be grateful for that. For example, in Australia the government just admitted that nobody has died of COVID-19 in 2021, yet they now have over 300 deaths attributed to the vaccines and much of the country is still in a hard lockdown. In addition, Israel is one of the most vaccinated countries on earth and yet now is considering another lockdown out of fear of the "Delta variant" (which was formerly known as the "Indian variant" until India objected to the term).
Anyways, yes there is always a risk whenever you inject foreign substances into someone else's body, but if employer's or governments mandate people inject themselves with something, who should be culpable if something goes seriously wrong. If I run a public school and mandate that every child needs to eat the school lunches whether their parents want to provide a sack lunch or not, and then a bunch of children get serious food poisoning and even some of them die from the food contracting company I hand-picked myself, should I be criminally responsible for mandating the school lunches or should the company? The way it works with COVID-19 vaccines in the United States with respect to the school lunch situation is that we essentially say the children are responsible for eating the food they were coerced into eating, not the people who ordered that they eat the food and not the people who actually prepared the food. Oh yeah and in America, the kids would be required to also pay the hospital bills for eating coerced and poisoned food even after being physically crippled and unable to earn an income to pay back the hospital.
You cannot use VAERS as a listing of deaths attributed to vaccines. As you note, it's a clearinghouse--doctors are supposed to report anything that happens within a period of time after vaccination that could possibly be a vaccine side effect. For a major vaccination program, it's inevitable that some people will die shortly after receiving the vaccine, for unrelated reasons. It's pretty clear that the J&J vaccine does carry a very small risk of death, and it's entirely possible that more such serious side effects will emerge after we have more data. But the monthly mortality rate for people over 18 in the US is on the order of 0.1%. Given that more than 150 million people have been vaccinated in the US so far, you'd expect to see something on the order of 150,000 people dying in the month after getting vaccinated. Some percentage of those will have symptoms that could possibly indicate a vaccine side effect (fever, etc), even though in fact their cause of death was not related to the vaccine. So 6,000 deaths in VAERS does not seem high to me.
DeleteLike I stated before people are incentivized not to report their vaccine injuries publicly so it is anyone's guess how many injuries there are. The same goes with deaths which even if reported honestly would be a lagging indicator (this happened with COVID-19 where various counties and states would report deaths in large batches often months after a group of people had died and you would get wild spikes in COVID deaths from week to week).
DeleteThe main point is we need to look at the overall death rate in 2021 when the numbers come in before deaths in the fall are blamed on the "Delta variant" or the comeback of the flu which is being framed to the public using the logic that social distancing has depressed everyone's immune systems, therefore more people are susceptible to serious flu illness. This only makes sense if you believe the laughable assertion that the numbers of hospitalizations reported for the flu were in the hundreds when normally the number of deaths are in the 10's of thousands and the hospitalizations in the hundreds of thousands. This decrease in the flu nationwide even shows up in the handful of states that had no mask mandates. I will let you draw your own conclusions from these facts.
Also, you are right that VAERS reporting cannot prove that someone died from the vaccine, rather than simply dying by association of taking the vaccine. Of course the same logic was ignored with COVID until very recently such that the real death numbers of people dying from COVID (which is a disease) rather than simply being exposed to SARS-2 with a super high PCR cycle threshold applied to their tests would have COVID deaths around 50,000 or less rather than 600,000 which is absurd when you start looking at these numbers critically. Coincidentally, that is the typical number of people who die from the flu during a bad flu season each year.
Nevertheless, like I said before the 6,000 deaths is likely orders of magnitude low based on studies looking at the reporting rate for vaccine injuries prior to COVID. For people who are not totally in shame from vaccine induced injuries and who will never ever admit being harmed publicly, privately, or even to themselves, many of the remaining vaccinated do not even know about VAERS at all and many doctors are loathe to associate the vaccine with the symptoms of their patients after enthusiastically recommending their patients get the vaccine in the first place. So the undercounting is of course speculation and we will likely never have a precise number of how many vaccine related deaths have occurred to date or else will buildup in the coming years, but we can look to see if there is any year to year jump in the overall death rate once suicides, deaths of despair and other lockdown induced increases in death are factored out in the coming months. The problem is if you just make up some other cause of death to mask the vaccine issues such as the widely discussed "Delta variant" being pushed hard by the media which apparently infects vaccinated people 6x times more than unvaccinated people who have already been exposed to SARS-2 or else public health experts attribute deaths this winter to the comeback of the flu (these seeds of information have already been planted in the public's mind) after the vaccines may have permanently weakened the immune systems of those who have been vaccinated, well then we will be doing these circular arguments at getting to the truth forever.
DeleteAnd yes in the context or 6,000 deaths (more like several hundred thousand but again we will have to see), that is a small number but the real concerns I have are more medium to long-term, but especially with regards to fertility and cancer as the spike protein from the vaccines (or else serious COVID-19 disease) seems to get into the blood stream and ends up accumulating the most in the ovaries and the bone marrow. You may have an entire generation of people rendered sterile with a lot of leukemia on the horizon as well and who knows what else. Side-effects in just about every part of the body are being reported and one hypothesis for why this is the case is that the similarity the spike protein has to a human endogenous retrovirus that is expressed in every cell of the body. The spike protein teaches the immune system to attack anything looking like the spike protein and since this human endogenous retrovirus protein is so similar in its coding and exists in every human cell, it is possible that this will trigger autoimmunity in every part of the body over time and explains why some of the side-effects reported do not matchup to ACE2 receptors being blocked which are thought to cause most of the coronary events). Hopefully the "Children of Men" scenario will never come to pass but even if you throw out all the conspiracy theory talk, this looks like this could all end up being the worst man-made public health disaster in world history of the world by far.
On a different note - I am wondering what things might be useful to test for if a spinal tap is being done. There is a chance that one will be ordered for my son to check folate levels. Given that it's quite an invasive procedure, I'm not sure that we will actually go through with it. But if we do, I would want to collect as much information as possible.
ReplyDeleteNot sure what can be tested, but say autoantibodies of different types - FRA is just one type. And serotonin, glucose as well as thyroid hormones. All of these would be helpful to know about.
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Peter,
ReplyDeleteI would like to get your opinion on whether or not my son has positively responded to Bumetanide. We have recently started Bumetanide (0.5 mg/twice daily) approximately 6 weeks ago and have noticed he has been able to string together 4 - 6 words at a time versus previously being able to string 2 - 3 words together at a time. In addition, we have noticed a decrease in stereotypy behaviors. However, we also started 10 mg of 5-MTHF at the same time as the Bumetanide (he was previously on Leucovorin for about 6 months (40 mg/day) with no real benefits noted; replaced with 10 mg 5-MTHF daily). He is also on Memantine (5 mg/day for approx. 6 months) and a variety of vitamins/minerals.
Obviously, not much information to go on, but would you attribute the speech increase to 4-6 words to Bumetanide given that Leucovorin has not produced any benefit in the past? There hasnt been a "wow" moment, but from what I understand, Bumetanide produces a more subtle effect over time.
Any thoughts would be appreciated!
TMM
TMM, the way to be sure is to stop bumetanide for 2 weeks. The effect fades away over a few days. Then restart and after a couple of weeks the effect would return.
DeleteTo inceease the effect of bumetanide try 1mg once a day or 1mg in the morning and 0.5 mg in the afternoon.
It looks to me that likely your son is a responder.
Hi Peter,
ReplyDeleteI just started my son on NAC, 600 MG 3 x per day. Next we will try Bumetanide if his doctor will write the prescription for us. I also just got Desmopressin, and at some point we will trial that as well.
I just came across this- Lucetam (Piracetamum, Piracetam) - while on the hunt for Dimebon (no luck yet). Wanted to know your thoughts on it? If you have ever tried or know of anyone who has.? My son is fully verbal, high functioning. His main issues are VERY hyperactive and stimming, whether if its the form of scripting, or mainly watching the same videos or parts of videos over and over.
I just ordered Pure Encapsulations EPA/DHA mix to see if that helps with hyperactivity at all.
Thank you so much for your time!
Dear Peter,
ReplyDeleteI keep reading your blog and it has helped me make tremendous improvement. I would place myself at like a 20 (not because I seemed on the spectrum just because I was dysfunctional and now the treatment related to autism worked) on your scale before treatment and now I am more like a 5 (with some dysfunction).
My current regimen is: folinic, sertraline, omega3, atorvastatin, curcumin, agmatine, magnesium, melatonin, vitamin D, and I am experimenting with low dose lorazepam (thats what I could get without asking for the prescription)...
agmatine, atorvastatin, are the game changers
Basically my main problem is a cycling mood, it cycles between low and high within 2 or 3 weeks. I feel quite normal and happy during high moods but I can always count on the low moods to come, they aren't as bad as they were. I have no clue how to fix this. I have tried many things. If you maybe have some ideas I would really appreciate your giant brain. I have tried A LOT of what is on the blog so it might be a hard task.
Thank you, Patrick.
Patrick, lithium orotate is OTC and has been used as a mood stabilizer for many years. If you have not already tried it, maybe worth a trial.
DeleteMy psychiatrist says that the mood stabilization comes at higher doses of 600mg a day lithium carbonate... but I did notice a mood boost at the lower doses. I just didn't view it as a game changer for me. 600mg did stabilize the mood but then I lost some other part of me so I didn't continue.
DeletePatrick, Verapamil which we use for summertime raging, is known to have mood stabilizing properties. For most people it is very well tolerated.
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ReplyDeleteHi Peter,
ReplyDeleteThank you again for this wonderful resource you have provided.
As an aspie, I am trying to tackle the "core" of my disorder - the social / emotional impairment. I would like to hear your thoughts on using bumetanide for this.
Do you think it would be "overkill" to use a "game changer" like bumetanide? I may end up trying baclofen or clonazepam instead because my understanding is they have a weaker effect on GABA than bumetanide.
Best,
I would start with Baclofen, since we know many Aspies respond well to it.
DeleteIt seems that the people who respond the most to Bumetanide are those with severe autism. But some Aspies are taking it.
Thanks! I will try it out
DeleteHi, First, i want ask you did you used Roflumilast and any effect?. second, do you think betain effect with myelin, i mean betain like choline, maybe it help to myelin
ReplyDeleteBetaine, like SAMe, can have epigenetic effects and both substances can have an effect on defective myelination as found in MS (multiple sclerosis). Betaine is a common supplement used in autism.
DeleteLow dose Roflumilast was developed by Maastricht University to improve cognition in adults and to treat impaired sensory gating. It was not proposed to improved cognition in severe autism. Many different issues lead to intellectual disability (ID) in autism. I do not propose this as a game changer for all autism. I tried it on myself and found it did have some effect on how I think about the events and issues of the day, but it gave me some GI side effects. My son had no side effects. For him both Bumetanide and low dose Clonazepam were effective. Bumetanide was the game changer.
It probably is most likely to help Aspies.
Hi Peter, I just got your new book and, like this blog, it has really great information! My son is 8, severe autism/intellectual disability, verbal but not conversational, vocal stims. I’d like to give Jarrows NAC Sustain a try but my son can’t swallow pills. Would crushing it and mixing it in juice reduce its efficacy, given that it’s an extended-release tablet? Obviously PharmaNAC would be a better choice but it’s hard to get in the USA.
ReplyDeleteAlso wanted to add that my son is currently taking leucovorin for language development. We’ve seen some progress, but like you said, it’s more of a “fine tuning” supplement than a true “game changer.”
I’d really like to try Bumetanide but my son’s doctors said that they don’t feel comfortable prescribing it because they don’t know enough about it and they’re wary of side effects. I should mention that I live in Massachusetts, where it seems that the medical field here isn’t very open to off-label and experimental prescriptions. Do you have any suggestions on how to access this? Thank you so much
There are "MAPS" doctors in the US who are prescribing bumetanide, sometimes at a dose that is ineffective. Just Google MAPS doctor autism. I suggest 1mg once a day. Some US doctors prescribe 0.5mg and not surprisingly see little benefit. You have a good 40% chance of him being a responder.
DeleteNAC was banned in the US as a supplement. Not over safety issues, they just think it was first used as a drug so it should not also be a supplement.
We used to buy the cheap NAC in gelatine capsules and add to food. It has a strong bitter taste, but it worked. I think NAC sustain is no longer sold. If you cannot buy NAC you can try ALA which is very similar.
Good luck.
I am not sure what you mean it was banned in the US, I am still able to get it here.
DeleteThe FDA banned NAC as an OTC supplement, but many are ignoring the ban.
DeleteWhat's the alternate therapy for non responders of bumetanide?
ReplyDeleteThere are dozens of different therapies that work for certain people depending on their underlying biological dysfunctions. Read the blog, or if that is a bit heavy going read my book.
DeleteI am praying we will find our game changer in some of these medications I have ordered. We've been trying dozens of supplements over the past year, with only small effect. I mean, the effects are great, (no longer violent toward little sister, more eye contact, more affection, getting some words back after having lost them completely) but we are still at the point where if he has any ailment at all then he's crying nearly all day, or he still does his repetitive and restricted form of play for hours, and he won't really learn new skills.
ReplyDeleteWhat are your thoughts on severe autism being more an issue of apraxia than intellectual disability? Many of the nonverbal or "nonspeaking" people with autism who managed to learn spelling to communicate have said such. They failed to reliably control their body and so would fail IQ tests and be diagnosed intellectually disabled. They expressed frustration at being taught the same basic things for years in special education.
The game changer is you.
DeleteWe do judge people by what they say, which is a mistake. Some people are very chatty, but actually have a low IQ.
DeleteSome non verbal people have a normal IQ and should eventually find a workable means of communication.
People with profound autism have very limited verbal communication and very low IQ. They can still potentially lead a happy life, but many do not.
Sometimes low IQ is due to irreversible damage but we keep discovering other types that are at least partially reversible.
We tend to hear about very rare people more so than the more common ones with less good outcomes.
Here is a research study you can sign up for
ReplyDeletehttps://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT04060017?cond=Leucovorin%20&term=Autism&rank=3
Hi again,
ReplyDeleteSo my son (age 9) has severe autism and intellectual disability , IQ is 40 (measured at the onset of his catatonia, so I suspect the score is just a tiny bit higher). Anyways he took Bumetanide for about 3 weeks in February and we had amazing results for the second week but ultimately had to discontinue it for a bit because my son developed catatonia during that time. And because bumetanide was causing diuresis and due to the catatonia, my son became incontinent.To be clear, the catatonia was unrelated to the Bumetanide, just coincidental that it occurred at the same time. Anyways the catatonia has since resolved and now we are trialing Azosemide. He has been on Azosemide for about 3 weeks , 60 mg once a day, and I think I see improvements but for some reason, it doesn’t seem to be as “wow” as that one week we had in February when he was taking the Bumetanide. I’m surprised because I thought he’d have a stronger response to Azosemide. Should also mention that we’re using the generic pills from an online pharmacy in Japan. I want to keep going because it’s only been a few weeks, so I went ahead and ordered Diart, which is the brand name of Azosemide. Maybe the brand name will be more potent or maybe I just need to give it more time? Im just really hoping this is our game changer. What are your thoughts ?
Katy, the limiting factor on the dosage of bumetanide is the diuresis. Azosemide causes much less immediate diuresis in most people.
DeleteIf the diuresis is the reason you do not want to go back to bumetanide, you could just increase your dose of azosemide. I think it will be most effective when given once a day, so you could make a trial of 120 mg once a day.
Thank you Peter, we will try the 120 mg today’
ReplyDeletePeter,
DeleteI hit the “send” button too soon! Meant to ask if Monty still takes Azosemide in addition to Bumetanide? I recall an older post, where you were trialing 60 mg Azosemide in the afternoon (in addition to bumetanide in the morning)? Aside from the cost, wondering if you have a personal preference and why? I guess I just really want this to be our game changer too! And I really think it could be , because when he took Bumetanide for a month back in February, after about 10 days he had that one incredible week where he was having back and forth conversations with his teacher . Then catatonia took over and he regressed in all areas so we stopped the Bumetanide at thd time. Then there was the strep throat episode in early April ( PANDAS was considered but his ASO titers are normal); he took Zithromax and ibuprofen for this. Once the antibiotics were done, we started 60 mg Azosemide on April 19. We’ve had a few “smarter” moments here and there but not much as I’d hoped. The thing is, I do think my son is a responder. , he has had paradoxical response to benzodiazepines in the past. I think it’s just a matter of figuring out the dosing and other factors that could be interfering, like inflammation or allergies. I’ve tried giving him ibuprofen and Claritin as well, but I don’t know if it makes a difference for him. I also think I should probably give the Azosemide in the morning instead of evening , would that help ? Thank you , as always
Hi Katy,
DeletePlease reference this case study. They use a dose of 250mg of Diamox BID.
Biotin and Acetazolamide for Treatment of an Unusual Child With Autism Plus Lack of Nail and Hair Growth.
https://www.clinicalkey.com/#!/content/playContent/1-s2.0-S0887899417303843?returnurl=https:%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0887899417303843%3Fshowall%3Dtrue&referrer=
-Stephen
Katy, from a therapeutic perspective you can take Azosemide at any time of the day. The benefit is from the cumulative effective from the previous 10 days or so. It is really a case of what time of day is most convenient.
DeleteI did use Azosemide in the afternoon in addition to bumetanide in the morning. That is because I wanted as much cognitive benefit as possible to be able to keep up with his classmates. They were 2 years younger but typical kids.
Now I just give his pills once a day.
Bumetanide is very easy for me to get and azosemide is not. We have also got to the point where cognition is no longer a limiting factor. I think Ponstan has provided a benefit in this regard
Some people stop taking bumetanide due to diuresis. They really should try Azosemide.
Thank you so much for getting back to me so quickly, Peter. I don’t know how you keep up with all these questions, you really are a tremendous resource! I gave 120 mg last night, I’m hoping we see some improvement after a few weeks or so. Unrelated to the Azosemide, he has been getting increasingly irritable and rigid this week, which seems to diminish his cognition (and perhaps negate the effects of Azosemide/bumetanide?) There are loads of pollen in the air this time of year, so I’ve been giving him Claritin. Maybe I’ll switch to Zyrtec…and we will certainly try the ponstan !
DeletePeter, what dose is Monty taking for Ponstan? I've been using Colchicine as an NLRP3 inhibitor but it tastes nasty.
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Stephen, I use 250mg once a day. It seems to be low enough to avoid any GI effects. In a young child you would scale that dose down.
DeleteThanks!
DeleteHi Peter, I’ve been googling Azosemide and can’t seem to find much on it, but the little info that I found suggests that it is superior to the other loop diuretics (furosemide, Bumetanide, torsemide). Do you happen to know why Azosemide isn’t more commonly prescribed in most countries?
DeleteLooks like Bumetanide 1 mg is equal to Azosemide 60 mg. My son has been taking Azosemide for almost 3 weeks, at these doses (once a day):
4/19/24: 30 mg
4/22/24: 60 mg
5/6/24: 90 mg
5/8/24: 120 mg
Earlier this year, we quickly saw initial positive results after a week with 1 mg bumetanide , but ultimately stopped due to diuresis and an unrelated issue (catatonia). Because he responded favorably to Bumetanide, i assumed he would have an even better response to Azosemide but so far I haven’t seen much (if any) cognitive improvement. Do you know how long it might take for Azosemide to “work”?
Pills might be counterfeit
DeleteKaty we do not know the equivalent dose of azosemide when it comes to the effect in the brain.
DeleteI suggest you keep going for another two weeks at the new higher dose. If there is still no benefit then you will have to go back to bumetanide.
Hi Peter, I would like to add another drug on to the NLRP3 list.
ReplyDeleteDisulfiram suppresses NLRP3 inflammasome activation to treat peritoneal and gouty inflammation
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S089158491932492X
-Stephen