In the TikTok/Instagram world where many people live these days, everything is kept very simple. The real world is becoming the alternative reality.
Over the years, many people have sent me their genetic testing results. Nowadays we have moved on to whole genome sequencing (WGS), which generates vast amounts of data and is pretty much as good as it gets. Vast amounts of data brings with it the problem of how to filter through it and not miss something critical.
I have written many times that parents who have had genetic testing carried out on their child should ask for the full list of mutations, not just those on the lab’s list for autism. In the case of whole exome sequencing (WES), this could produce a list of 10 to 30 mutations, which might well include an ion channel, or a similar variant, that is actually relevant to autism.
More and more
parents are doing this or even repeating the WGS elsewhere and then getting a very
different interpretation, with a likely causal gene identified.
“We did
genetic testing and it came back clear!”
I am sorry
to disappoint the TikTokers, but nobody’s WGS results can come back clear.
What is whole
genome sequencing (WGS)?
Scientists have put together a reference genome, based on the results of many different real people.
In WGS,
blood or saliva is used to sequence the entire genome of the patient, and then
it is automatically compared to the reference genome. Tens of thousands to
millions of variants will be identified. They all end up in the VCF (Variant
Call Format) file.
The VCF (Variant
call format) file
The VCF file
is generated by special software. It contains details about the genetic variants.
Annotated
VCF file
More
automation then looks up each of the detected variants to see if they are
already listed in databases, as being known to cause problems. If the variant
has not been listed in these databases, it will not be highlighted.
These days
most labs will provide the annotated VCF file and it can be huge.
The role
of the geneticist or ChatGPT
The
geneticist is then supposed to take the annotated
VCF file and filter the results based on the clinical condition of the patient.
Results are
categorized as:
· Pathogenic
· Likely pathogenic
· Variant of uncertain significance
· Likely benign
· Benign
In theory, the
geneticist’s job is to translate the vast and complex information from genetic
tests into actionable insights for diagnosis, treatment, and genetic
counselling, ensuring both precision and empathy in patient care.
He/she
should check whether the identified variant explains the patient's specific
symptoms (e.g., developmental delay, speech impairment, intellectual
disability).
If multiple
variants are identified, consider whether they might interact.
Some
individuals may have only one variant, while others may carry several genetic
changes that contribute to their condition.
How come
there are so many apparently sloppy geneticists?
Doctors like to deal with certainties and the geneticist has to avoid diagnosing a gene as causal, when there is a chance it actually is not. They also know that there are almost no genes related to autism that they can treat. There is no incentive a take a stab at causality, when they know they cannot offer any follow-on treatment. Contrast that with the parent's perspective looking for any clues.
Genetics is
actually all about probabilities, much more than certainties. So, if you have 3
mutations that are each individually “survivable”, the combination might be
causal.
Here is an
example:
Imagine a
scenario where:
- Mutation 1: Causes a minor
disruption in protein folding (survivable).
- Mutation 2: Impairs a metabolic
enzyme function (survivable).
- Mutation 3: Affects a signaling
pathway that slightly reduces cellular repair efficiency (survivable).
Each of
these mutations, on their own, may not lead to a disease. However, when
combined, these disruptions might overwhelm cellular systems and cause a disease
phenotype (for example, a neurodegenerative condition), as the cumulative
effect of these disruptions could impair essential cellular functions beyond a
survivable threshold.
Not enough people with autism submit WGS data
I would
think you need to have the WGS data from at least a million people with an autism diagnosis, from
mild to severe, to be pretty sure you have identified the majority of causal
mutations. Many of these causal mutations will actually be combinations of a few different genes - it would get very complicated.
The number of people with autism currently included in the reference databases so far is tiny. It is biased towards
those with profound single-gene autism.
We really
need to know about polygenic autism, which accounts for the vast majority of
cases. Those cases range from profound to trivial.
I think that
if I were in charge, I would tell people that if they want an autism diagnosis,
they need to provide a saliva sample. No sample, no diagnosis. The test can be
anonymous, if people prefer, so there is nothing to fear. At least this would
reduce the waiting time for diagnosis!
TikTok
autism
On social
media you get a lot of self-diagnosed autism, but you also get some Moms/Mums
of kids with profound autism.
I saw one
today who has 3 sons and 1 daughter, all with profound autism. She says it cannot be
genetic, because the geneticist did not find a causal gene. In theory she might be right. Perhaps there
is an environmental explanation, maybe the babies were all exposed to the same
toxic environment (food, water, air, a high voltage power cable over the house …)
More likely,
the geneticist did not do his job. Or, the kids have mutations that have not
yet been added to the list of causal genes. The list grows every day. If she
used a good provider, like GeneDX, and she ticked a box on the form, then they
may come back to her in 5 years’ time and tell her that one of her kids’
mutations is now recognized as causal. This happened to one reader of this
blog.
My tip would
be to ask for the Annotated VCF file and get ChatGPT to analyse it for anything
that might explain profound autism.
It looks
like any computer-savvy middle-aged person can do this; no prior experience
needed!
Conclusion
I was
pleasantly surprised to hear from several readers recently who followed my
suggestion to dig deeper into the results of their child’s genetic testing.
They all found something valuable, hidden away. Perhaps you wouldn’t contact
Peter if you didn’t find something of use!
To analyze
genetic data effectively, you will need the paid version ChatGPT Plus (GPT-4).
While it is powerful, it does have processing limits. For example, processing a
large VCF file requires breaking it into smaller, manageable parts.
Fortunately, ChatGPT can guide you through this process.
If you were
doing this as a professional service, you would be better off using GPT-4 via
API. This tool, created by the same company, is designed for heavy data
processing rather than conversational interaction.
When it comes to genetic forms of autism with approved drug therapies, there seem to be only two:
· Tuberous Sclerosis Complex (TSC1 or TSC2 Mutation): Treated with Everolimus (Afinitor) in the US, Canada, EU, UK, and Australia.
·
Rett
Syndrome (MECP2 Mutation): Treated with Trofinetide (Daybue) in the US and
Canada if you have the money.
This highlights why geneticists focus on diagnosis rather than treatment.
Unofficially, the possibilities for treatment are extensive, limited only by creativity and emerging research. Here again, ChatGPT can do much of the work for you.
P.S. TikTok, Instagram and Facebook can be fun, but for something factual, better stick to ChatGPT or similar services.
P.P.S. I do not have shares in OpenAI, who own ChatGPT

Peter and all
ReplyDeleteThis is a wonderful and poignant post. Sequencing is cheaper and more readily available than ever and my recommendation to all "autism parents" is to get it done separate of the neurologist or other md who is encouraging it. All to often we find these doctors generally tell parents genetic testing should be done in one breath and then in the other that the results will not help in "treating" their child's condition. Even the "autism specific" geneticists are sadly more about collecting data, future studies, or winning awards than treating the child providing the genetic material. Gene sequencing is a powerful tool that can help when following the science, but as Peter highlights it will require YOU to explore and try what makes sense. One independent testing site which offers its own built in AI for exploring the full genome is sequencing.com. They are reasonably priced and the AI is very easy to use. I'd suggest them to anyone interested.
Best of luck to all!
Dear Peter, A really wonderful post that really explains WES and WGS so well and it can really worry so many parents . Many thanks Meera
ReplyDeleteHi Peter,can you please recommend me name of the test i should do,and where(please write laboratory if its not problem).im in EU.
ReplyDeleteThank you.
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ReplyDeleteMerhaba Peter. Mesajımı düzenleyip tekrar yolluyorum. Gecen yolladığım mesaj karışık oldugundan sildim.
DeleteWest testi sonucunda Cacna2d3 gen mutasyonu var oglumun ve senin sayende chatgpt uygulamasını öğrendim ve derinlemesine oğlumun varyantını araştırdım. Cacna2d3 geninin
8 reseptörü bozukluğu öğrendim.
Glutamat reseptörü
gaba reseptörü
seletonin reseptörü
dopamin reseptörü
Mikroglia Reseptörü
Kalsuyum reseptörü
Kolinerjik reseptörü
Mitokondri reseptörü
Kalsuyum reseptörü verapamil....
Glutamat reseptörü memantin.....
Gaba reseptörü Gaba-A burinex....
Gaba reseptörü Gaba-B arbaclofen...
Kolinerjik reseptörü sitikolin-üridin-kolin-selin-gpc-plasmalogen-donepezil-notropil....
Dopamin reseptr L-Theanine Magnezyum
Seletonin reseptörü omega3 D vitamini
Mitokondri Q10- PQQ-curcumin-
b kompleks- keton takviyesi-nad-Afabazol
Mikroglia reseptörü brokoli filiziL-Theanine-epa yüksek omega3-nac-ldn-Pea- lutein....
Reseptörleri düzenlemek için çıkan takviye ve ilaclar. Şimdi biliyorum. Oğlumun mutasyonun hangi reseptörleri bozdugunu. Sen olsan bu reseptörlere nasıl müdahale ederdin. Şimdiden teşekkürler. Not. Bu ilaç ve takviyelerin etkileşimine baktım. Sorunsuz
CACNA2D3 Mutations
DeleteMost reported cases point to loss-of-function mutations being more commonly associated with neurological and developmental disorders. These include reduced calcium channel expression or activity, leading to signaling deficits. The opposite is also possible, a gain of function mutation.
CACN2D3 in only found in the following ion channels Cav1.1, Cav1.2, Cav1.3, Cav1.4, Cav2.1, Cav2.2, Cav2.3.
These calcium channels will either be down regulated (most likely) or upregulated (also possible).
Depending on the precise mutation, what is most likely is reduced function or enhanced function. So it is less extreme than it might look.
What happens next is that a cascade of processes takes place, because ion channels interact with hundreds of other processes. You then end up with a new steady state (homeostasis) that is stable, but different to typical children.
When considering treatment you would ideally do straight to the route cause, which is CACN2D3. If that is not possible you would target the ion channels containing this protein (Cav1.1, Cav1.2, Cav1.3, Cav1.4, Cav2.1, Cav2.2, Cav2.3.). If that is not possible you would treat the down-stream effects in this cascade. That means treating this new altered homeostasis and trying to shift to a new, stable, better state.
Gabapentin is suggested because while it does not directly affect CACN2D3, it does target CACN2D1 and CACN2D2, which are very similar and so there may be a benefit. All you can do is see if there is a benefit.
Calcium channel blockers like verapamil will only provide a benefit if there is too much activity, if there is too little then they would make the situation worse. So if you made a trial of a calcium channel blocker it should be brief and then you observe did it make things worse or better.
If the calcium channel blocker makes the situation worse, you would need the opposite therapy.
If you need to increase calcium channel active you need to activate the channels. There few drugs that do this, because most people need the opposite treatment. You might think of using calcium itself, with the aim of slightly increasing the level of calcium in blood. The body tightly regulates calcium levels in the blood and so unless diet is deficient in calcium and/or vitamin D, the level in blood will not change. Many children with autism actually are deficient in vitamin D and many do not drink milk. I would ensure you have enough calcium in diet and give a vitamin D supplement. You could trial a small calcium supplement.
Down stream effects:
You can try and treat the downstream effects of the mutation.
This takes you to your long list.
Valproate, an HDAC inhibitor, commonly used in children with seizures, might increase expression of CACN2D3. So whether this is good or bad for your case depends on whether the mutation is gain-of-function or loss-of-function.
Next steps:
I think you have to decide does Gabapentin have any benefit.
Then you need to find out if you have gain-of-function or loss-of-function in this gene. Maybe the geneticist can tell you. In theory, if you know the precise mutation it should say.
If it is a gain of function, then you can try the channel blockers. If it is loss of function these drugs should be avoided.
The down stream effects of the mutation are not predictable and so you end up with just trialing treatments sometimes found effective in classic autism, of unknown origin. This is a long list. You use trial and error to see what works.
Merhaba Peter Cacna2d3 geni c.2619+5G>A varyantı NM_018398.3 işlev kaybı mutasyonu. Verapamil kullanıyorum 1 aydır. Yanına memantin Pikamilon ve L-Theanine ekleyince sakinlik, söz dinleme istek bildirimleri de artış başladı
DeleteGreat news.
DeleteLike in most autism, your child has an excitatory/inhibitory imbalance. In your case, because picamilon is beneficial you know that GABA is working correctly as inhibitory. This means there is no point making a trial of bumetanide.
NMDA receptors are a subtype of glutamate receptor that plays a key role in excitatory neurotransmission. If there is too much NMDA activation then there is too much excitatory signalling (a feature of Alzheimer’s). Reduced NMDA activity can impair cognitive functions and is associated with conditions like schizophrenia.
Memantine is blocking NMDA activity and is producing a calming effect in your case.
L-theanine promotes the production of GABA, it also increases levels of dopamine and serotonin, which regulate mood and promote a sense of well-being. Since your child clearly has excessive glutamate (excitatory) activity, it is promoting calmness.
The question is what effect is verapamil having? Is it contributing to this calmness or not? The only way to find out would be to pause it for a few days. It is important to know if the effect is good, bad or negligible.
Since increasing GABA activity is clearly beneficial, you might want to try sodium valproate, which is used in pediatric epilepsy and works mainly by increasing GABA activity. It is widely used in children.
Baclofen binds to GABAb receptors, which are inhibitory receptors in the central nervous system. Activation of these receptors reduces the release of excitatory neurotransmitters like glutamate and aspartate, leading to a decrease in neuronal excitability. That would also be worth a trial.
Treating the excitatory/inhibitory imbalance is a great first step. Well done!
There are potentially more steps to fine tuning the excitatory/inhibitory. It is important to go step by step.
Merhaba Peter. Verapamil 3 gün kullanmadım ve aşırı uyarılma şekli tekrar geldi. 3 gün sonra tekrar ekledim ve sakinlik geldi. Verapamil oğlumda çalışıyor. Şimdiki hedefim arbaclofen, pea-lutein, mito kokteyl ve plasmalogen kullanmak. Sence nasıl
DeleteThat is great that you have confirmed that Verapamil is correcting an excitatory/inhibitory imbalance. In the next stage be sure to go step by step, trialling one therapy at a time, to be sure whether it is beneficial or not. Later on, you might want to look at other calcium channels since you had a good result with L type channels.
DeleteIn defense of geneticists, it's not that easy to diagnose someone who has a pathologic mutation in the 98% (previously considered) "junk" DNA. The main reason here is that we still don't know much of it's function.
ReplyDeleteEven at the past Undiagnosed hackathon 2024, with almost 100 participating experts, only 4 (possibly up to 8) of 10 patients got a diagnosis. Motivation was probably not the issue!
/Ling
Ling, my takeaway from this is that lay parents should not assume the geneticist has left no stone unturned when filtering through their child's WES or WGS results. With the help of AI they are free to spend hours going through the data themselves and see what they can find.
DeleteYou would have throught there would be nothing left to find and yet quite often there is. That is not a good situation, but once you aware you can adapt to this reality.
Hi Peter, thank you for another great post! One of my clients finally managed to complete WES for her 7 yo son. He was struggling with developmental/ speech delay, ADHD, traits of ASD, nocturnal seizures, abnormal eye movement, and renal issues. The report revealed CHRNA4 mutation, that affects nicotinic acetylcholine receptors. Ion channels is my weak area, and it is your area of expertise , as far as I understand from your posts :) With CHRNA4 mutation, the signals between nerve cells in the brain don’t work well. So, I logically started looking for a potent, reversible acetylcholinesterase inhibitor (am I correct?) I went though some recent papers; it seems like the therapeutic approaches include nicotine-based therapies (patches or creams?), cholinesterase inhibitors (e.g., Galantamine? Huperzine A as a natura source), and gene therapy. Gene therapy sounds appealing, but I could not find anything on it. Realistically, today this mother is left with the option of increasing acetylcholine levels in the brain via meds. Peter, can you please, correct me if I was wrong elsewhere in my evaluation of this gene. Can you please share your insights on what could be done to possibly modulate/ improve this gene function. There are many things to do about the seizures. But the main problem is actually child's compulsive/impulsive behavior, difficulties with communication and education. As regards to meds/supps, this child has kidney issues (unlikely related to this mutation), so not sure where to start with twicking this channelopathy. Many thanks in advance!
ReplyDeleteThe CHRNA4 gene encodes the alpha-4 subunit of the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor (nAChR), which is most commonly part of the α4β2 subtype of nAChRs.
DeleteNicotinic receptors are crucial in areas of the brain involved in seizure generation, such as the thalamus and cortex. The thalamus is heavily involved in both sleep regulation and seizure propagation. Dysfunction in α4β2 nAChRs in this area can lead to nocturnal seizures, regardless of the mutation type.
The question is whether this boy has a gain-of-function mutation or a loss-of function one. Both can cause seizures. In theory, the WES results should tell you and hopefully it will be correct. In reality, you should keep an open mind. But the treatment will not be the same.
If it is loss-of-function mutation
Increase acetylcholine via:
Choline Supplementation, as a precursor to acetylcholine, choline could enhance neurotransmitter synthesis.
Galantamine as an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor with allosteric potentiating effects on nicotinic receptors, it may improve function without direct receptor agonism.
Donepezil is another reversible acetylcholinesterase inhibitor, which prevents the breakdown of acetylcholine in the synaptic cleft, thereby increasing its levels.
Low-Dose Nicotine therapy using patches or creams may offer safe modulation of nicotinic receptor activity.
Varenicline, a drug to help people stop smoking, could theoretically modulate receptor function by partially activating it. This may help improve synaptic signaling disrupted by the mutation. 7 year olds do not normally smoke, so it has not been approved for pediatric use. It has been used in autism.
If it is gain-of-function mutation
Nicotine might be beneficial here also, but the effective dose is likely much lower.
Vagal Nerve Stimulation (VNS)
VNS can work for both gain of function and loss of function. Because it is not a drug parents will like it.
If it is a gain of function mutation the both a T type calcium channel blocker (zonisamide normally used for nocturnal seizures etc) or a L type calcium channel blocker (Verapamil) might be beneficial, reducing impulsivity/anxiety and producing calm.
If it is gain of function, memantine should help.
Probably best to find an open-minded neurologist, since the child already has seizures. My guess would be the child has a gain-of-function mutation.
Hi Peter, thank you so much for your response! I also stumbled upon the information about loss/gain of function, but the source suggested that it is usually the case of loss function. What makes you think that in this boy it might be a gain of function? His compulsive behavior? I have read about the functional test for the mutated gene, but not sure if it is done meaningfully in reality; a parent may recieive another ''Normal'' result.
DeleteMadina, hyperexcitability and night time seizures suggest gain of function. But it might not be. It is also possible to have gain of function in one part of the brain and loss off function in another.
DeleteThe best thing is to cautiously make trials and see what has a good effect and what is bad. What has a bad effect tells you something useful too.
What would be a farmacological approach to ANK3 gene variant? We have VUS variant on that gene. Symptoms - autism and intelecual disability. Memantine and oxytocin are helping. ChatGPT suggests sodium channel blockers like lamotrigine or carbamazepine however they have some potential side effects. Is there anything else worth considering for this specific gene?
ReplyDeleteUla, given what the ANK3 gene does, sodium channels blockers are the obvious choice. If you use a low dose, you may not have any side effects.
DeleteChatGPT is very good, but does not dig very deep so you need to prompt it. Use Google as well and then give feedback to ChatGPT, then let it rethink.
Your gene is studied here:
https://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu/sites/autism-neurodevelopment/disease-genes/ANK3.html
They find that lithium is effective.
Look at Genecards.org and enter your gene. Inositol and melatonin are mentioned at the bottom of the page.
Here is a screen shot from what I got from ChatGPT
https://drive.google.com/file/d/13dxebwv2WNvqvVJh6BIHKI5eAjOpir-8/view?usp=sharing
Of course, many other things may be helpful (antioxidants, calcium channel blockers etc..)
Ula, I had a deeper look and asked ChatGPT to summarise my ideas about targeting Neurofascin to counter the mutation in ANK3.
DeleteAnkyrin-G and Sodium Channel Clustering
Ankyrin-G is a scaffold protein that binds voltage-gated sodium channels (VGSCs), especially Nav1.6, at the axon initial segment (AIS) and nodes of Ranvier.
This binding clusters sodium channels, ensuring a high density crucial for:
Initiation of action potentials at the AIS.
Rapid propagation of action potentials along myelinated axons at nodes.
Loss or dysfunction of ankyrin-G leads to:
Failure of VGSC clustering.
Impaired action potential initiation and conduction.
Reduced neuronal excitability or conduction failure.
Role of Neurofascin
Neurofascin is a cell adhesion molecule essential for organizing the AIS and nodes of Ranvier.
It interacts with ankyrin-G and links sodium channels to the cytoskeleton.
In ankyrin-G deficiency, upregulating neurofascin may help partially restore Nav1.6 channel clustering and AIS structure.
No approved drugs directly target neurofascin, but certain factors can indirectly enhance its expression, including:
Growth Factors and Signaling Modulators
BDNF (Brain-Derived Neurotrophic Factor) and other neurotrophins influence AIS assembly and protein expression.
Retinoic acid (vitamin A) signaling regulates neuronal differentiation and adhesion molecules like neurofascin.
Increasing BDNF or enhancing its receptor TrkB signaling could improve AIS structure/function in ankyrin-G deficiency.
BDNF levels can be naturally boosted by:
Exercise
Enriched environments
Small molecule TrkB agonists (e.g., 7,8-DHF, experimental)
Drugs and Natural Compounds That Enhance BDNF/TrkB
Antidepressants such as SSRIs (e.g., fluoxetine) and TCAs (e.g., amitriptyline) increase BDNF expression over weeks, indirectly activating TrkB.
Natural compounds like curcumin, resveratrol, and omega-3 fatty acids may mildly increase BDNF and TrkB signaling with consistent intake.
Statins and Neurotrophic Effects
Statins (like simvastatin and atorvastatin) may increase BDNF expression and support TrkB signaling, enhancing neuroplasticity.
They exert anti-inflammatory and antioxidant effects, protect neurons, and improve cerebral blood flow.
Simvastatin improved behavior and increased hippocampal BDNF/TrkB in an autism rat model.
Atorvastatin in animal studies:
Increased BDNF levels
Activated TrkB-related pathways (PI3K/Akt, MAPK/ERK)
Reduced neuroinflammation and oxidative stress
Improved cognitive function and dendritic growth
So, I think you have a lot of options to explore. You have to be careful not to give too much vitamin A, because it becomes toxic. I am a fan of statins. Low dose Fluoxetine/Prozac is widely used in autism.
Peter, thank you so much for taking the time to look into this. I appreciate your help.
DeletePeter,
ReplyDeleteMy child had genetics test the NHS consultant requested WES but he said yesterday it came back negative personally I don’t even know what the NHS are looking for?
It just seems like a dead end and they may discharge him. I asked the nuerologist how about testing for cerebral folate defiency as I’ve heard this can cause speech issues snd he just brushed away my concerns saying he doesn’t need it.
Where do I go? I told the neurologist that there is an underlying genetic disorder with him but I think you’ve missed it.
WES coming back “negative” does not mean there is no underlying issue — it just means nothing known or clearly pathogenic was identified. Many variants get missed or classified as “uncertain,” and WGS often finds things WES does not.
DeleteThe issue is how many genes did they consider when filtering the results. Some labs it is just 350. The GeneDX lab in the US considers 2,300 in its expanded autism + ID panel. I think GeneDX is the leader.
I am sure the UK NHS pays for all the common single gene autisms to be analysed, but I very much doubt it will be 2,300 genes.
The point is that in practical, real-world NHS clinical care in 2025, the only single-gene “autism” condition with an approved, disease-modifying, gene-targeted treatment is Tuberous Sclerosis Complex (TSC1 / TSC2). The treatment is Everolimus, an mTOR inhibitor. But, funding criteria are strict and its use is restricted mostly for seizures/renal angiomyolipomas, not autism symptoms. This is why the neurologist is not going to bother to dig deeper, there is no follow-on therapy.
Cerebral folate deficiency is very real and can present with speech delay, so it is reasonable to check 5-MTHF in CSF or at least look at serum folate receptor autoantibodies first (a simple blood test). It is unfortunate your neurologist dismissed the idea. You can do it yourself www.fratnow.com
It is really up the parents to find treatments for autism. Mainstream medicine still considers it a case of simply giving anti-psychotics if there is aggression. Much more is possible, but you have to do most of the work yourself, hence the mixed results.
There is a clever app, that is free, called Face2Gene. Just based on a portrait photo it can reasonably accurately identify most single gene autism/ID syndromes.
It can be very helpful in a genetic evaluation: if there is a syndromic cause of autism or intellectual disability that has characteristic facial features, Face2Gene may suggest a diagnosis that you / your doctors had not considered.
It will not reliably pick up all genetic disorders, especially those that do not have strong facial phenotypes. Some autism-related single-gene disorders might not have clearly dysmorphic features or may not be well represented in the app’s database.
It is most useful as a support tool, something to guide which genetic tests to run or which syndromes to investigate more deeply — not a replacement for WES, WGS, or a clinical geneticist.
Hi Peter, I hope you have been keeping well.
ReplyDeleteSince my last comment, we have trialled a short burst of rifaximin and nystatin - both gave ‘good pops’. She has gut dysbiosis and alternates between constipation and diarrhoea. Then building with l reuteri and plantarum 299v
Naproxen gave her a slight increase in attending skills however we switched to celecoxib. Celecoxib however made her emotionally unstable ( crying/ laughing with no apparent reason or at least the cause is not visible to us)
Still on bumetanide and an increased dose of folinic acid resulted in commenting ( previously it was simply speech to request). Still not conversational.
Attention and focus is still not great so hoping to trial LDN or low dose clonazepam. Would this be a good next step? I think I would need to (try) solve this piece next so that she is able to access school.
Still lots of vocal tics (saying the same word over and over). Short burst of prednisone 5mg for a week did not stop this. Maybe my dose is too low?
I am thinking of doing WGS. Genedx which I’ve seen on here quite a number of parents using, does not accept specimen from the UK.
Sequencing.com responded that the results will identify genes but will not indicate which ones are switched on/off. Is this still worth doing? I do not have a medical/ scientific background.
There still still pretty tough days of emotional lability, hyperactivity couple not helped by wobbly and losing teeth. Having said all that though, still on bumetanide and mito cocktail and trying to sort gut out; she has come on a whole lot cognitively and her receptive language has come on as well. We are grateful for your blog.
Steph
Try NAC to increase cysteine.
DeleteThank you. I’m currently dosing 600mg NAC twice daily.
DeleteHmm, could try high dose liposomal vit c.
Deletehttps://www.iherb.com/pr/aurora-nutrascience-mega-pack-liposomal-vitamin-c-32-packs-0-68-fl-oz-20-ml-each/113315
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30388518/
Hi Stephen, thanks. Currently dosing liposomal vit c 125mg.
DeleteFeels like I am missing something…..
Not much stereotypies ( some bouncing on seat) but quite frequent episodes of vocal stimming and grunting.
Also on sulphorophane, coq10, sometimes ketotifen and PEA.
Loses focus, and finds it hard to attended. She would read a sentence in a 3 sentence book/ page; then attention would wander off.
Any insight much appreciate. Thanks
Steph
Could try mangiferin for attention. I think its sold in the UK as Zyanmite.
Deletehttps://nektium.com/zynamite/
Dear Steph
DeleteTo start with the easier part. While GeneDX looks like the best, I think you will do just fine with Sequencing.com and I think it is likely less expensive. They do have the AI option to help lay people read the results, which is an advantage, so that you get the most out of the testing.
Do not expect a guaranteed “answer”, but in a young child it is a worthwhile investment that you only need to do once.
Because your child is female, you do have a good chance of finding something insightful. (girls are less likely to have polygenic severe autism than boys, so she is more likely to have a single problematic gene of the kind that will show up in WGS)
Treating autism is a marathon, not a sprint.
If cognition is improving and receptive language is also growing then your daughter is doing great!
Going from a few spoken words to being conversational can be a long journey and it needs both correcting biological issues (where possible) and consistent intensive therapy/education over the childhood years.
Some children with autism have GI issues as the #1 issue to resolve. Gut dysbiosis triggers a cascade of other changes that make autism worse and can block otherwise effect strategies from working. For other children there are no significant GI issues.
Food allergy and intolerance is an entire subject in itself. In essence you need to find out if any foods needed to be excluded. Keeping a food diary is a good first step and allows you to see any links between what goes in and “out” plus any link to behaviors.
Very common GI therapies include
• Sodium butyrate (very popular (and so cheaper) in Poland and you can order from UK look at ostrovit.com, there also intestaMax, which I used and also comes from Poland)
• Specific probiotics, like L. reuteri and L. plantarum 299v
You can spend a fortune on this kind of supplement and so it is best to find an affordable source and then allow enough time for them to show effect.
If the cause is some food allergy/intolerance no supplement will solve the problem.
Both LDN and low dose clonazepam are good to try. They are very different and you might find both work, or neither work. Trial new interventions one at time. If it works, add it to your long term therapy.
I like low dose clonazepam because the dose is so tiny it is both extremely safe and very affordable. Try and get a liquid version as your starting point, to make it very much easier.
Your prednisone dose was extremely low. The typical short burst (3-5 days) dose for prednisone is 1-2 mg/kg.
Naproxen improving attention but celecoxib causing emotional lability is a pattern other parents also see — if naproxen was more stable, you can always return to it.
Are you using NAC? If yes, have you tried adding ALA. ALA among other things helps "recycle" vitamins E and C, which are key antioxidants in the body.
Good luck
Peter
Steph, just to add about cromolyn sodium which is a mast cell stabilizer to help with food allergy related GI problems.
DeleteIn Germany this is sold OTC and you can even buy it on German Amazon with a UK Amazon account.
Go to www.amazon.de
Or just google "allergoval kapseln"
Many people with autism take cromolyn sodium and you could try and get it from your GP. If you find the German one does work, tell your GP and ask for it to be prescribed.
Dear Peter, thank you so much for taking the time to respond and the insights and suggestions. I will have a look at sequencing.com again.
ReplyDeleteYes, her cognition and receptive language has come on over the last 8 months and we are so grateful. She has an almost photographic memory and strong visually. ( she remembers words quickly BUT may not understand them). Reading social cues is still a huge challenge eg. I went to pick her up after school yesterday. Although she saw me through the clear glass door and I waved and beckoned her, she did not respond to me. ( But at home, she is full of affection and wants interaction with me).
Vocal tics start from the minute she wakes up in the morning. Would it be wise to try prednisone again at the appropriate dose ? (100mg for a 20kg 6yo; for 5 days. I went low as I was worried it would dampen her immune system and she would catch all sorts from school)
Unfortunately Ostrovit does not ship to the UK. I’ll look for sodium butyrate here - are they all the same and should I be concerned about the sodium content?
My LDN and low dose clonazepam should hopefully arrive soon. And yes, I have asked for a liquid version for the rivotril. It says 2.5mg/ml. Is this correct?
With NAC, I have been dosing initially 600mg once a day, then increased to 600mg twice a day. This did not reduce the hyperactivity or vocal stimming. Does this mean that NAC does not work her? I am still dosing for oxidative stress and liver support ( given the many supplements she is taking) . Would you suggest keeping this with the ALA?
I am still trying to understand and sort out her gut. She has very very limited range. How would you tell that it’s an inflamed gut and food allergy, if there are no outward signs of flushing/ spots/ rashes/ crying? I am also giving zinc carnosine and Fucoidan for leaky gut and will add cromolyn sodium to the mix.
With mast cell stabilisers, is it also a case of trialling? I gave on occasions Ketotifen which had no side effects.
Thank you
Steph
Hi Stephen, thank you for the mangeferin suggestion- I’ll have a look at that.
ReplyDeleteSorry typo. My trial prednisone dose should be 20mg a day. Is this dosage right?
ReplyDeleteCould also try memantine.
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DeleteDear Steph,
PART 1
Your updates show a very encouraging trajectory overall — cognition, receptive language, memory, and affection are all moving in the right direction. The fact that progress continues while you are still working through GI issues and attention challenges is actually a strong sign that there is more potential once these remaining pieces fall into place.
Prednisone for vocal tics / emotional lability
Your previous dose (5 mg/day) was far too low.
For a 20 kg child, the typical short “burst” dose is:
• Prednisone 1–2 mg/kg/day for 3–5 days,
• so 20–40 mg/day for your daughter.
This dose is commonly used for asthma exacerbations and short-term neuroinflammation flares.
A short burst does not significantly suppress the immune system; children routinely receive these doses during viral seasons.
You will either see a clear positive effective, or no effect within the first 3 days.
NAC: does lack of effect mean it “doesn’t work”?
Not necessarily.
NAC has multiple roles:
• glutathione support / oxidative stress
• liver support
• some calming effect
• anti-inflammatory
Some children get a dramatic reduction in stereotypy or hyperactivity, others do not.
In your case:
• Continue NAC (600 mg twice daily is fine)
• Add ALA — it helps recycle vitamins C and E and creates a stronger antioxidant system.
The fact that NAC did not reduce hyperactivity does not mean it is useless for her.
PART 2
DeleteClonazepam (Rivotril) dosing
Yes, 2.5 mg/ml is the standard concentrated liquid in Europe.
For your 20kg daughter, the best dose to start your trial with is 0.012 mg.
Check your instructions but I read that one drop = 0.125 mg clonazepam.
So you will need to dilute you solution in clean glass bottle.
If you add 20 drops of rivotril and then 9ml of water, then one drop will be 0.0125 mg
• Rivotril concentration: 2.5 mg per 1 ml
• 20 drops = 1 ml, so 20 drops contains 2.5 mg clonazepam.
• You add:
o 20 drops Rivotril = 1 ml = 2.5 mg drug
o 9 ml water
• Total volume = 10 ml
Final concentration
2.5 mg/10 ml =0.25 mg/ml
How much per drop?
1 ml ≈ 20 drops, so:
One drop = 0.25 mg/20 = 0.0125 mg
Clonazepam is made in liquid form using propylene glycol as the solvent. Clonazepam does not dissolve in pure water. So there will be a limit to how much water you can add to the product you are starting with, before it does not work. You can get round this by just buying food grade propylene glycol – other readers have done this. This replaces the water.
Gut issues: sodium butyrate, probiotics, identifying inflammation
Sodium butyrate is safe, and the sodium content is not high enough to cause problems at typical doses. I think you will find a source in the UK.
Signs of gut-driven inflammation without visible skin or behavioural flares can include:
• alternating constipation/diarrhoea
• early-morning vocal stimming
• poor focus or “foggy” moments
• inconsistent appetite
• sleep fragmentation
• odd responses to certain foods
• unexplained emotional shifts
• improvement after rifaximin, nystatin, or plantarum 299v (which you did see)
So yes — gut inflammation can be the primary driver even when the skin looks perfect and there are no hives, rashes, or obvious discomfort.
Your zinc carnosine and Fucoidan are both appropriate choices.
Cromolyn sodium is also well worth a try; many children with subtle MCAS-like GI issues respond.
Ketotifen not doing much does not rule out mast-cell issues — cromolyn sodium works via a different mechanism and often helps when ketotifen does not.
Attention and “not responding to social cues”
This is extremely common in the profile you describe.
Her visual memory and ability to read words early is a strong cognitive sign.
But the gap between visual strengths and social cue processing is typical in ASD, and improves gradually as overall neurological inflammation declines and language/pragmatics therapy continues.
Improving attention will help her better access social-emotional learning.
LDN or low-dose clonazepam can both help here.
Mangiferin (Zynamite) suggested by Stephen is also a safe option to try .
WGS and Sequencing.com
Sequencing.com is still absolutely worth doing.
Their comment that WGS “does not tell you which genes are switched on/off” is technically correct — no WGS does that — but WGS is still the most valuable genetic test for autism.
For a girl with significant ASD features, the chance of finding a single impactful gene variant is higher than in boys.
Dear Peter,
DeleteOnce again, heartfelt thanks for taking time to share your insights and suggestions.
After brickwall after brickwall with the local services, both with therapy and medical; I simply cannot put our gratitude and respect in words towards your selflessness in continuing this blog and never failing to respond to our many (!!) questions. It is so very very much appreciated.
I have placed an order for the sequencing.com kit. I will proceed with a trial with appropriate dose prednisone, LDN and clonazepam.
Steph
Steph, good luck with all this. Note that as a 6-year-old your daughter fits the profile for a likely responder to L-Serine that I recently wrote about.
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Thanks Peter.
DeleteCould I check the dose for LDN? And would the effects of this ge targetting hyperactivty?
With the clonazepam - this would be for cognition?
How long should I trial these for?
With L-serine, again is this a matter of simply trialling to see if she is a responder. I have memantine: should I trial this first? What dose should I start?
As an aside, I gave my older teenage child memantine (NT but with low level autistic traits like anxiety and adhd (inattentive). She said it made her anxiety and fast heart rate 'dull', sort of took the edge off.
Steph
Steph, a cautious, practical approach for LDN
DeleteWeek 1–2: 0.5 mg nightly
Week 3–4: 1.0 mg nightly
Week 5: 1.5–2.0 mg nightly
Week 6+: Stay at the lowest dose that gives benefit (often 1–2 mg)
You can stop at any level where you see a clear positive effect.
Signs you have reached a good dose
Improved sleep
More stable mood
Less sensory irritability
More social awareness / engagement
Sometimes better speech or responsiveness
Signs the dose is too high
Difficulty falling asleep
Restlessness or irritability
Night-time waking
Vivid dreams
These usually disappear after lowering the dose.
LDN is considered very safe at these doses.
I think the low dose clonazepam effect is in the same category as bumetanide.
The Clonazepam will reach a stable level in the body in 3-5 days. So at that point, if she is a responder and the dosage is right for her, then you would see some behavioral change. If you see a benefit earlier which then disappears, the dosage is too high.
LDN is very dosage dependent, so do not rush to increase it. Take your time and be willing to lower the dose to find what works best.
Given your daughter's age and profile she is more likely to respond to L-serine. I would try that before memantine.
The L serine dose from the Korean trials was
14–20 KG 4mg twice a day
21–34 KG 6mg twice a day
She is just on the boundary, so I would try 5mg twice a day.
Your teenager's response to Memantine is a common one. You might see how it varies with a lower dose.