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Monday 4 September 2023

The therapeutic effects of apigenin are pleiotropic. Is its effect on sound sensitivity mediated via potassium channels?

Chamomile, a good source of Apigenin

 

Today we return to flavonoids, those healthy chemicals found in fruits, vegetables, flowers etc.

In particular, the focus is on apigenin, found in things like chamomile, parsley, oregano and in medicinal herbs like Bacopa monnieri.

 

Why the interest in Apigenin?

I did discover a while back that sound sensitivity in some autism responds almost immediately to low dose Ponstan (Mefenamic acid), which is a widely used as a pain reliever.

I was recently informed by a reader who responds well to Ponstan (250mg once a day) that he gets exactly the same relief from sound sensitivity from taking the flavonoid Apigenin (500mg a day). 

Both Ponstan and Apigenin are OTC in many countries. In countries like Greece Ponstan is extremely cheap.  In the US Ponstan is very expensive and supplements tend to be cheap. 

For adults with sound sensitivity drinking chamomile tea might be a good source of 50 mg of Apigenin (you would need about 20g of chamomile flowers). Using the dried flowers likely gives better results than ready-made tea bags.

 

Pleiotropic effects

Both Ponstan and apigenin have numerous beneficial effects.  I noted in my earlier posts on Ponstan that it seems to offer protection from Alzheimer’s. Perhaps surprisingly, people who take Ponstan are much less likely to develop Alzheimer’s. Nobody has studied apigenin in human Alzheimer’s, but in animal studies, apigenin has been shown to improve cognitive function, reduce amyloid plaques, and protect neurons from damage.

 

Other Flavonoids used in Autism

Dr Theoharides wrote a lot about flavonoids to treat autism and mast cell disorders.  His product Neuroprotek is a combination of three flavonoids: luteolin, quercetin, and rutin, which are found in plants such as celery, onions, and citrus fruits.

Epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG) is a flavonoid found in green tea. The Spanish like doing research on EGCG and they believe it has promise as an autism therapy. One of the effects is to modify the gut microbiome. EGCG has also been shown to accumulates in mitochondria making it an interesting therapeutic candidate for neurodegenerative diseases involving neuronal apoptosis triggered by mitochondrial oxidative stress. It has been studied in Down syndrome, Rett syndrome and some other models of autism.

 

A very detailed overview is available in the paper below:-

The Emerging Role of Flavonoids in Autism Spectrum Disorder: A Systematic Review

Although autism spectrum disorder (ASD) is a multifaceted neurodevelopmental syndrome, accumulating evidence indicates that oxidative stress and inflammation are common features of ASD. Flavonoids, one of the largest and best-investigated classes of plant-derived compounds, are known to exert antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, and neuroprotective effects. This review used a systematic search process to assess the available evidence on the effect of flavonoids on ASD. A comprehensive literature search was carried out in PubMed, Scopus, and Web of Science databases following the PRISMA guidelines. A total of 17 preclinical studies and 4 clinical investigations met our inclusion criteria and were included in the final review. Most findings from animal studies suggest that treatment with flavonoids improves oxidative stress parameters, reduces inflammatory mediators, and promotes pro-neurogenic effects. These studies also showed that flavonoids ameliorate the core symptoms of ASD, such as social deficits, repetitive behavior, learning and memory impairments, and motor coordination. However, there are no randomized placebo-controlled trials that support the clinical efficacy of flavonoids in ASD. We only found open-label studies and case reports/series, using only two flavonoids such as luteolin and quercetin. These preliminary clinical studies indicate that flavonoid administration may improve specific behavioral symptoms of ASD. Overall, this review is the first one to systematically report evidence for the putative beneficial effects of flavonoids on features of ASD. These promising preliminary results may provide the rationale for future randomized controlled trials aimed at confirming these outcomes.

 

It seems that the many flavonoids have numerous beneficial effects - this is why it is important to include them in your diet.

 

Sytrinol

Years ago, I wrote about Sytrinol, a dietary supplement that is made from citrus peel extract. It contains polymethoxylated flavones (PMFs), which are a type of flavonoid. It mainly contains nobiletin and tangeritin, flavones that are found in citrus fruits, such as lemons, oranges, and grapefruits. They have been shown to have a number of health benefits, including lowering cholesterol, reducing inflammation, and protecting cells from damage.

The idea was of interest because these flavones are known to activate PPAR-gamma, which seemed potentially beneficial in autism.  Readers did confirm Sytrinol provided a cognitive benefit, but it only lasts a few days and is then lost.

 

Sources of Apigenin

Apigenin is sold as a supplement.

Chamomile is one of the oldest, most widely used and well documented medicinal plants in the world and has been recommended for a variety of healing applications for centuries. Apigenin is thought to be one of the most potent substances found within it.

Bacopa monnieri is another rich source of flavonoids being a good source of luteolin and apigenin. An extract of Bacopa monnieri, a nootropic herb, has been used to evaluate its neuroprotective effect in a valproic acid (VPA) model of ASD. The results showed that B. monnieri extract may attenuate VPA-induced damage by restoring antioxidant enzymes and reducing inflammatory cytokines in the hippocampus and prefrontal cortex.

 

The biological effects of Apigenin

 What does the Google AI (artificial intelligence) program Bard have to say:-

 

Apigenin is a flavonoid that is found in a variety of plants, including chamomile, parsley, celery, and citrus fruits. It has several potential health benefits, including:

Antioxidant. Apigenin is an antioxidant, which means it can help protect cells from damage caused by free radicals. Free radicals are unstable molecules that can damage DNA, proteins, and other cellular structures.

Anti-inflammatory. Apigenin has anti-inflammatory properties, which can help reduce inflammation in the body. Inflammation is a contributing factor to many diseases, including heart disease, cancer, and arthritis.

Cancer prevention. Apigenin has been shown to have cancer-fighting properties in both animal and human studies. It may help prevent cancer by blocking the growth and spread of cancer cells.

Brain health. Apigenin may be beneficial for brain health. It has been shown to improve cognitive function in animal studies, and it may also help protect against Alzheimer's disease and other neurodegenerative diseases.

Heart health. Apigenin may help improve heart health. It has been shown to lower blood pressure and cholesterol levels, and it may also help protect against heart arrhythmias.

Hormone modulation. Apigenin may modulate the production of hormones, such as estrogen and testosterone. This could have benefits for women's health, such as reducing the risk of breast cancer and improving menopausal symptoms.

Immune health. Apigenin may boost the immune system. It has been shown to increase the production of white blood cells, which help fight infection.

Other benefits. Apigenin may also have other health benefits, such as relieving anxiety, promoting sleep, and strengthening bones.

When you push Bard a little bit you get more:


Apigenin and ion channels, Bard?

Apigenin is a flavonoid that has been shown to interact with a variety of ion channels in the body. These include:

Voltage-gated calcium channels. Apigenin has been shown to inhibit the activity of voltage-gated calcium channels, which are involved in the regulation of many cellular processes, including muscle contraction, cell growth, and cell death.

Transient receptor potential vanilloid 4 (TRPV4) channels. TRPV4 channels are activated by heat and inflammation, and they play a role in pain perception, thermoregulation, and inflammation. Apigenin has been shown to activate TRPV4 channels, which could have potential implications for the treatment of pain and inflammation.

Nicotinic acetylcholine receptors (nAChRs). nAChRs are ligand-gated ion channels that are activated by acetylcholine. They are involved in a variety of functions, including learning, memory, and muscle contraction. Apigenin has been shown to potentiate the activity of nAChRs, which could have potential implications for the treatment of Alzheimer's disease and other neurodegenerative diseases.

Potassium channels: Potassium channels are responsible for the efflux of potassium ions from cells. Apigenin has been shown to activate some types of potassium channels, which can have cardioprotective effects.

Gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA)A receptors. GABAA receptors are ligand-gated ion channels that are activated by GABA. They are involved in the regulation of anxiety, sleep, and epilepsy. Apigenin has been shown to modulate the activity of GABAA receptors, which could have potential implications for the treatment of anxiety and epilepsy.

 

Which potassium channels, Bard? 

Apigenin has been shown to activate some types of potassium channels, including:

Small conductance calcium-activated potassium channels (SK channels): SK channels are activated by calcium ions and play a role in regulating cell excitability. Apigenin has been shown to activate SK channels in a number of cell types, including neurons, smooth muscle cells, and cardiac cells.

Large conductance calcium-activated potassium channels (BK channels): BK channels are also activated by calcium ions and play a role in regulating cell excitability and blood pressure. Apigenin has been shown to activate BK channels in some cell types, but the effects are less well-studied than the effects on SK channels.

Transient receptor potential vanilloid 4 (TRPV4) channels: TRPV4 channels are activated by a variety of stimuli, including heat, inflammation, and mechanical stress. Apigenin has been shown to activate TRPV4 channels in some cell types, but the effects are less well-studied than the effects on SK and BK channels.

 

The effect of mefenamic acid on potassium channels, Bard? 

Mefenamic acid has been shown to have effects on a variety of ion channels, including potassium channels.

In vitro studies have shown that mefenamic acid can activate certain types of potassium channels, such as small conductance calcium-activated potassium channels (SK channels) and large conductance calcium-activated potassium channels (BK channels). This activation of potassium channels can lead to a decrease in the excitability of cells, which can be beneficial in conditions where excessive cell excitability is a problem, such as epilepsy and arrhythmias.

 However, mefenamic acid can also inhibit certain types of potassium channels, such as ATP-sensitive potassium channels (KATP channels). This inhibition of KATP channels can lead to an increase in the excitability of cells, which can be harmful in conditions where excessive cell excitability is a problem, such as heart arrhythmias.

The effects of mefenamic acid on potassium channels are complex and depend on the type of channel, the concentration of mefenamic acid, and the cell type. More research is needed to fully understand the mechanisms by which mefenamic acid interacts with potassium channels and the implications for its potential therapeutic applications.

 

Apigenin in Down syndrome

 

Plant Compound Apigenin Reduces Cognitive Deficits in Mouse Model of Down Syndrome

Mice treated with apigenin had better memory and developmental milestone scores.

The plant compound apigenin improved the cognitive and memory deficits usually seen in a mouse model of Down syndrome, according to a study by researchers at the National Institutes of Health and other institutions.

Apigenin is found in chamomile flowers, parsley, celery, peppermint, and citrus fruits. The researchers fed the compound to pregnant mice carrying fetuses with Down syndrome characteristics and then to the animals after they were born and as they matured.

The findings raise the possibility that a treatment to lessen the cognitive deficits seen in Down syndrome could one day be offered to pregnant women whose fetuses have been diagnosed with Down syndrome through prenatal testing. The study appears in the American Journal of Human Genetics.

Down syndrome is a set of symptoms resulting from an extra copy or piece of chromosome 21. The intellectual and developmental disabilities accompanying the condition are believed to result from decreased brain growth caused by increased inflammation in the fetal brain.

Apigenin is not known to have any toxic effects, and previous studies have indicated that it is an antioxidant that reduces inflammation. Unlike many compounds, it is absorbed through the placenta and the blood brain barrier, the cellular layer that prevents potentially harmful substances from entering the brain.

Compared to mice with Down symptoms whose mothers were not fed apigenin, those exposed to the compound showed improvements in tests of developmental milestones and had improvements in spatial and olfactory memory. Tests of gene activity and protein levels showed the apigenin-treated mice had less inflammation and increased blood vessel and nervous system growth.

 

Apigenin as a Candidate Prenatal Treatment for Trisomy 21: Effects in Human Amniocytes and the Ts1Cje Mouse Model

Human fetuses with trisomy 21 (T21) have atypical brain development that is apparent sonographically in the second trimester. We hypothesize that by analyzing and integrating dysregulated gene expression and pathways common to humans with Down syndrome (DS) and mouse models we can discover novel targets for prenatal therapy. Here, we tested the safety and efficacy of apigenin, identified with this approach, in both human amniocytes from fetuses with T21 and in the Ts1Cje mouse model. In vitro, T21 cells cultured with apigenin had significantly reduced oxidative stress and improved antioxidant defense response. In vivo, apigenin treatment mixed with chow was administered prenatally to the dams and fed to the pups over their lifetimes. There was no significant increase in birth defects or pup deaths resulting from prenatal apigenin treatment. Apigenin significantly improved several developmental milestones and spatial olfactory memory in Ts1Cje neonates. In addition, we noted sex-specific effects on exploratory behavior and long-term hippocampal memory in adult mice, and males showed significantly more improvement than females. We demonstrated that the therapeutic effects of apigenin are pleiotropic, resulting in decreased oxidative stress, activation of pro-proliferative and pro-neurogenic genes (KI67, Nestin, Sox2, and PAX6), reduction of the pro-inflammatory cytokines INFG, IL1A, and IL12P70 through the inhibition of NFκB signaling, increase of the anti-inflammatory cytokines IL10 and IL12P40, and increased expression of the angiogenic and neurotrophic factors VEGFA and IL7. These studies provide proof of principle that apigenin has multiple therapeutic targets in preclinical models of DS.

 

Conclusion 

I am still delighted to have found a treatment for my son’s sound sensitivity, which got much more extreme almost overnight a couple of years ago.

I had already established long ago that he got short term sound sensitivity relief from taking a potassium supplement.  Some readers found a potassium supplement provided long term relief.

I thought that Ponstan might provide a good longer term solution and indeed it worked from the first pill.  This low dose therapy also works for other people with sound sensitivity, even one adult who has no autism.  The effective adult dose is 250 mg once a day.

Unlike other fenamate class drugs, like Diclofenac, Ponstan seems to be free from GI side effects at this low dose in most people.

Apigenin is an interesting alternative for those who do not tolerate Ponstan well, or who cannot access it.

A common link between what seems to improve sound sensitivity:

                    Oral potassium

                    Ponstan (Mefenamic acid)

                    Apigenin

is potassium ion channels. 

If you ask Google’s AI program Bard, he will tell you:

“It is possible that all 3 substances could affect the same potassium ion channel in some cell types, but this has not been definitively shown. More research is needed to fully understand the effects of these substances on potassium ion channels.”

Technically Bard is genderless, but he is a reflection of the programmers behind the software. In our house he is called Bart anyway.

Bart does make mistakes, contradicts himself in the same answer and he gives you different answers if you ask the same question more than once. He is also prone to mixing things up, just like humans do.






34 comments:

  1. I'm definitely interested in increasing potassium and decreasing the calcium channel functioning. I currently take Luteolin for my Autistic son and I. I just ordered apigenin for cheap on Amazon, and will be trialing soon. I'm thinking a one week trial. I'm also interested in trying the egcg at some point. Thank you!

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  2. I am very interested in supplements that are beneficial for brain development because my child has a low IQ. Do you think OTC substances like the above are beneficial? i thinked about citicolin, cholin, serine and now flavoid

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    1. They are worth a try.

      Some people will need to use pharmaceuticals. There are many possible causes of low IQ.

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  3. Hi, my kid still laught with out reason. the doctor say maybe gelastic seizure, but he dont buy drug. you have any information about it, plz help. some drug will work?

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    1. Laughter without reason (sometimes called inappropriate laughter) is very common in autism. Some parents really do not like it.

      Maybe in some people it is caused by a seizure, but I think most often it is just an acquired behavior. Some children even have two laugh sounds, the fake laugh and the genuine laugh. You are likely best advised to just ignore it If you make a big issue you may just reinforce the behavior and make it worse.

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    2. It’s called paradoxical laughter and is usually related to neurological disorders and schizophrenia also happens in autistic catatonia. Just wanted to mention in case there are other signs there along with the laughter that are making you worry. I don’t think many doctors are aware of autistic catatonia - both kinds the excited kind and akinetic form.
      ~Tanya

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    3. so what should i do . i worry he laught so much and can not be normal at puplic place. any drug work?

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    4. Tanya what should we do ?

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    5. Many people with autism can laugh for no apparent reason – my son does it sometimes.

      Some supplements can cause euphoria/laughter. This was a short-term effect of broccoli powder in my son. Other readers used broccoli powder specifically to get this improved mood. Broccoli is a rich source of tryptophan, which is the precursor to serotonin.

      Many people with autism make happy sounds, groaning sounds or even screams. Some of this is likely the result of limited speech, or it is a kind of stimming of echolalia. This can result in them getting socially excluded, but the big cause of exclusion is aggression or antisocial behaviors, like taking clothes off in public spaces.

      If you go online and search you will see many parents asking what to do about random/inappropriate laughter in autism.

      Personally, I do not think you should worry too much about strangers reacting to your child's laughter. There are far worse behaviors that can happen.

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    6. I agree with Peter I wouldn’t worry about what others think and search for a medication purely for that reason - I just wanted to mention it as a symptom of a bigger diagnosis. One that can show up in adolescence and young adulthood. I didn’t want to cause alarm. Just sharing from our experience. I felt you were worried enough about it to comment here. This is what your doctor can help flesh out - with a proper diagnosis.

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  4. Hi Peter,

    Just came across PON1 while looking into psoriasis:

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20488557/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PON1
    https://selfhack.com/blog/about-pon1-and-natural-ways-to-increase-it/

    I imagine you've seen it already, but thought I would mention it just in case it is of interest.

    Aspie2

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  5. Here is another apigenin called Vitenix. Seems similar to Bumetanide.

    https://jneuroinflammation.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12974-018-1221-6

    -Stephen

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    1. Stephen, Vitenix has come up in the past.

      The old name for this plant is Chasteberry because it was used to suppress libido. It was used by monks in the Middle Ages and was given the name Monk's pepper. In modern times Vitenix has been used by women because of its effects on female hormones.

      There are several flavonoids in Vitenix and it is not clear which of its many effects are caused by which one.

      My conclusion was that this natural product was likely not a good idea for young children,

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    2. hi stephen and peter. how can i buy vitexin. i search iherb and no product. which food make vitexin ?

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    3. Vitexin is a flavonoid from the plant Vitex agnus-castus (chaste tree or chasteberry).

      Use the name Vitex or chasteberry on iHerb and you will find supplements containing Vitexin.

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  6. Hi Peter & group,
    A couple of points I would like to make. I’m a member of a couple of gut Facebook groups which I would say around 50% of the members are there for their ASD children. The groups are loosely aligned with gut testing labs so I do take their comments with a pinch of salt. But they do rave about the effects cold brewed chamomile tea (2 teabags in a glass of water in the fridge overnight). Apparently it’s a cheap all round gut balancer, antioxidant, antihistamine & anti inflammatory. I haven’t been able to confirm it myself as my daughter won’t drink anything but water.
    The other point is regarding unprovoked laughter. Apparently if it’s a drunken laughter then it may be caused by excess ammonia production in the gut. The short term remedy being the body building supplement Nitric Oxide Support Powder.

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    1. Chamomile tea has been used for many centuries for its medicinal purposes. We have dried chamomile flowers in our kitchen and I think this will be more potent than the tea bags. It most definitely does have health benefits. If it helps some kids with autism that is great.

      If you gradually start adding some mild flavor (eg chamomile) to your daughter's water she will get used to other drinks. If you start with a tiny amount, she will not even notice and then each day you add a little more. In a month or two she will be able to drink chamomile tea. Stretching boundaries/comfort zones is really important in young children with autism.

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    2. No offense intended here, but I feel that “drunken laughter” due to “ammonia” and/or “yeast” is, hmmmm, not accurate at best hogwash at worst - and I say that admitting with the experience of years ago buying in to that and actually trying “remedies” for I t. Did not work for my son. I think it is a hard thing to accept for many that there is genetic overlap with bipolar/schizophrenia/ASD. I don’t care what the label is, if it leads to treatment that can help that’s what matters to me. Just speaking from my experience of trying things and seeing everything coming up and down the pike in 22+ yrs since my son’s diagnosis.
      ~Tanya

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    3. Yea, chamomile appears to be another antihistamine for the gi tool box.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9783512/


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    4. Hi, about unprovoked laughter, what supplement you recommend ? agmantine?

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  7. Have you thought about having whole genome sequencing done on Monty as of yet? Also curious about your thoughts on alpha missense and if you think it will be any relevance to diagnosing causes of autism.

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    1. A missense mutation is a simple type of genetic mutation (like a simple spelling mistake) and the resulting protein has a different amino acid sequence than the original protein.

      They can be inherited and they can occur after birth due to:
      • Environmental toxins, such as exposure to cigarette smoke or ultraviolet radiation
      • Errors during DNA replication
      • Certain viruses and bacteria

      Many people think that it takes hundreds of years for genes to evolve, so they do not see how autism could be a genetic condition. Missense mutations and epigenetic changes are mechanisms that change your DNA and occur within a person’s own lifetime.

      An alpha missense mutation is a type of missense mutation that occurs in the alpha subunit of a protein. Alpha subunits are often involved in the catalytic activity or structural stability of proteins. Therefore, an alpha missense mutation can have a significant impact on the function of the protein.

      Alpha missense mutations can be inherited or they can occur spontaneously after birth.

      Alpha missense mutations have been associated with a variety of human diseases, including:
      • Cancer
      • Autoimmune diseases
      • Neurodegenerative diseases

      “Have you thought about having whole genome sequencing done on Monty as of yet?” I did discuss it with my doctor friends and the consensus was “you did not need to”. I have found a good solution without genetic testing.

      “Also curious about your thoughts on alpha missense and if you think it will be any relevance to diagnosing causes of autism.”

      Very clearly there is an auto-immune dimension to many people’s autism. Both missense mutations and inherited epigenetic tags can play a big role in this.

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    2. Yea, I can attest to the autoimmune portion. My first son has profound autism. So we did everything possible to help avoid epigenetic triggers for our second son. No antibiotics, no vaccines, no screen time. Our second son was still having problems and it ended up being antifolate antibodies. Never considered milk to be a trigger but it's just the way it is.

      -Stephen

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    3. Were you able to have him tested for the antifolate antibodies? Did he respond well to leucovorin/folinic acid? If so, what dose did you give?

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    4. My second son would steal the sippy cup with the Leucovorin in it from his brother and we noticed he would be more verbal. That lead us to testing him with the FRAT test. He was positive for both the blocking and binding. He now takes 25mg of Leucovorin daily and we are starting him on the b12 shots next week. I think because we caught it early he goes to a normal preschool and he chats with us. It's a shame it's not automatically tested for early in speech delays.

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    5. I was referring to googles alpha missense specifically, sorry for the confusion.
      https://www.deepmind.com/blog/alphamissense-catalogue-of-genetic-mutations-to-help-pinpoint-the-cause-of-diseases

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    6. AlphaMissense is a deep learning model developed by Google DeepMind to predict the pathogenicity of missense variants.

      Here are some of the potential applications of AlphaMissense:

      • Diagnosis of genetic diseases: AlphaMissense can be used to help diagnose genetic diseases by identifying missense variants that are likely to be pathogenic. This can be especially helpful for diagnosing rare genetic diseases, where there may be limited clinical information available.

      • Genetic counseling: AlphaMissense can be used to provide genetic counseling to individuals and families who are at risk for genetic diseases. By identifying missense variants that are likely to be pathogenic, AlphaMissense can help people to understand their risk of developing a disease and to make informed decisions about family planning.

      • Drug development: AlphaMissense can be used to identify missense variants that are responsible for drug resistance. This information can be used to develop new drugs that are more effective against drug-resistant cancers and other diseases.

      It looks great and the idea is really good. It certainly should be applicable to the 1000's of sub-types of autism.

      Are any clinicians actually using it?

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  8. Fascinating. My son who has autism and severe Apraxia of Speech plus mild hypotonia responds very well to folinic acid at 4mg per day. I feel like my hands are tied as far as having testing done so I have shied away from giving a higher dose. We don't live near the few doctors who might prescribe such a test. I may see if there is further improvement if I double it, and give 4mg twice a day. Thank you for sharing!

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  9. Hi Peter,
    I want to try apigenin for my 11 y old daughter for sleep and sound sensitivity. What dose do you think will have a therapeutic effect? I got apigenin liquid from lyfetrition. Thanks.

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    1. I would try 50mg once a day. That is the dose I was told was effective.

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    2. Hi Peter - what time of day do you suggest to give apigenin? We currently do potassium 2ce/daily, however you can notice when it wears off. I want to augment with Apigenin. Thanks

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    3. I suggest you pause potassium for a few days, to establish a baseline. Then start Apigenin once a day in the morning. After a few days make an assessment of whether Apigenin is beneficial. If it is not helpful, stop taking it. If it is helpful continue taking it and add your potassium to see if there is an incremental benefit.

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    4. Thank you Peter! I’ll try that. The Potassium works so well. My son gets really irritated when his extremely active younger brother runs around the house. But yesterday morning, he just ate his breakfast quietly and politely told him to stop making noise when our energizer bunny was letting out all his energy (we were snowed in, our living room looks more like a children’s gym at those times). I was impressed because I was bothered by the noise. Fast forward to the evening, sword fight between the bits leads to the toddler crying after being hit. My older son now starts screaming at him that he was too loud and he couldn’t hear the TV, though he was the cause of the pain. We are currently at 800mg of K a day. 400 in the morning and 400 after lunch. Fortunately, he likes the K rich fruits - I’m planning to be more intentional about when he eats those to create a slow release for other times of the day.

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  10. Hi Peter -
    We tried the apigenin (50mg 1ce a day) and it didn't have the same effect as Potassium. I reverted to potassium after 2 days and the difference was night/day. The combo if mag & potassium is very effective in keeping him emotionally regulated most of the day. However, the apigenin plus resveratrol help him sleep quicker and stay asleep, which is very good!
    Thanks!
    Mo

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