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Monday 11 January 2021

2021 Autism PollyPill To Do List – Speech ↑ and Misophonia ↓

 

 A few ideas remain to be fine-tuned


Having started to develop my son’s polytherapy for autism back in December 2012, is there anything left to develop in 2021?

As we have seen, the biggest impact from interventions is when you start them very young, but improvement is possible at any age.

I was asked at the recent Synchrony autism conference what is next for the PolyPill?  and I replied that more spontaneous expressive language is my main target.  I have a good idea of what may help.

·        Calcium folinate, increased over 6 weeks to 45mg/day

·        Sulforaphane, with added Myrosinase in the form of Wasabi

I was contacted by a researcher from that Synchrony conference, suggesting that Low Level LED Therapy (LLLT) was worth trying to improve the use of speech.  It does seem to benefit people with many types of brain injury.  I did write a post on LLLT using lasers, not LEDs, in autism and there was a promising trial in Havana, which I shared with the researcher.

 

https://epiphanyasd.blogspot.com/2018/12/low-level-laser-therapy-lllt-for-autism.html

https://epiphanyasd.blogspot.com/2019/07/homeclinic-based-photobiomodulationlase.html

 

Many of the suggested modes of action of LLLT were in this graphic.


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Another suggested mode of action for LLLT concerns improved drainage of lymph from the brain.  This is a known problem in some forms of dementia. Among alternative autism practitioners there are all kinds of manual lymphatic draining therapies.

  

PDE4 inhibitors 

Some readers are using PDE4 inhibitors as the anti-inflammatory component of their personal autism polytherapy.

The 3 “common” choices are: -

·        Pentoxifylline, cheap and even trialled a few decades ago in children with autism. It has a short half-life and is a non-selective PDE inhibitor.  It also has an interesting effect on HDAC, that can make chemotherapy work better.

·        Roflumilast, more expensive and normally used to treat exacerbations in COPD, but patented at a lower dose as a cognitive enhancer. It is more selective for PDE4 than Pentoxifylline and has a long half-life.

·      Ibudilast, common in Japan as an asthma therapy and now a potential treatment for MS (multiple sclerosis).  It is available in Germany, imported to order, with a prescription.

 

PDE inhibitors are not very selective and so some people get side effects.  The big one seems to be nausea. Side effects may well fade over time.

I did try Roflumilast at the supposedly cognitively enhancing dose of 100mcg, a couple of years ago, but it did cause nausea. The nausea may well fade away after a few weeks.  Roflumilast may also reduce the sensory gating problem common, in autism, but only at a dose of 100mcg, higher doses lost this effect.  All is in this old post below.

Impaired sensory gating is driven by HCN channels that need to be blocked.  The science shows us various ways this can be achieved, as I explained in the post below. You can target alpha-2A adrenergic receptors, reduce stress or reduce cAMP.

What is cAMP?  Look here: -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_adenosine_monophosphate

 

Cognitive Loss/Impaired Sensory Gating from HCN Channels - Recovered by PDE4 Inhibition or an α2A Receptor Agonist

… in earlier post we saw that α7 nAChR agonists, like nicotine, improve sensory gating and indeed that people with schizophrenia tend to be smokers. It turns out that nicotine is also an HCN channel blocker.

Stress appears to flood PFC neurons with cAMP, which opens HCN channels, temporarily disconnects networks, and impairs higher cognitive abilities.

This would explain why stress makes people’s sensory gating problems get worse. So, someone with Asperger’s would get more distracted/disturbed at exam time at school for example, or when he goes for a job interview. Reducing stress is another method to improve sensory gating and indeed cognition. 

Alpha-2A adrenergic receptors near the HCN channels, on those dendritic spines, inhibit the production of cAMP and the HCN channels stay closed, allowing the information to pass through into the cell, connecting the network. These Alpha-2A adrenergic receptors are stimulated by a natural brain chemical norepinephrine, or by drugs like Guanfacine.

While the researchers at Yale patented the idea of HCN blockers to improve cognition, we can see how other existing ideas to improve cognition may indeed have the same mechanism, most notably PDE4 inhibitors.

One effect of a PDE4 inhibitor is that it reduces cAMP. So, a PDE4 inhibitor acts indirectly like an HCN blocker.

Not surprisingly recent research showed that low doses of Roflumilast improves sensory gating in those affected by this issue.

So rather than waiting for a brain selective HCN blocker, the potential exists to use a one fifth dose of Roflumilast today.

 

HCN channels play a role in many neurological conditions.  It does get rather complicated, but if you successfully target these ion channels you are definitely at the cutting edge of science. 

Hyperpolarization-Activated Cyclic Nucleotide-Gated Channels: An Emerging Role in Neurodegenerative Diseases 

The low dose Roflumilast might be a good choice for Aspies who get bothered by noises like clocks ticking and people chewing gum.

Pentoxifylline is very cheap, but the short half-life means you might need to take it three times a day.

100mcg of Roflumilast is 1/5th of a standard Daxas pill for COPD, which means crushing it and dividing in 5 parts.  This does also make it much cheaper, one pack would last you 5 months.

I will retry Roflumilast and also give Pentoxifylline a try. 

Based on the science, I think 100mcg of Roflumilast really should have a benefit in much autism.

I know other readers are using Pentoxifylline or Ibudilast.

All these PDE inhibitor drugs are normally used in adults. 

 

Misophonia

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/what-is-misophonia#1

 

Misophonia is a disorder in which certain sounds trigger emotional or physiological responses that some might perceive as unreasonable given the circumstance. Those who have Misophonia might describe it as when a sound “drives you crazy.” Their reactions can range from anger and annoyance to panic and the need to flee.  The disorder is sometimes called selective sound sensitivity syndrome.

Individuals with Misophonia often report they are triggered by oral sounds  -- the noise someone makes when they eat, breathe, or even chew. Other adverse sounds include. keyboard or finger tapping or the sound of windshield wipers. Sometimes a small repetitive motion is the cause -- someone fidgets, jostles you, or wiggles their foot.

 

Impaired P50 gating

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P50_(neuroscience)

 

In electroencephalography, the P50 is an event related potential occurring approximately 50 ms after the presentation of a stimulus, usually an auditory click.The P50 response is used to measure sensory gating, or the reduced neurophysiological response to redundant stimuli.

Research has found an abnormal P50 suppression in people with schizophrenia, making it an example of a biological marker for the disorder. Besides schizophrenia, abnormal P50 suppression has been found in patients with traumatic brain injuryrecreational drug use, and post-traumatic stress disorder.

 

It looks to me that:-

 

Misophonia = Impaired P50 gating  = Impaired sensory gating

 

Recent clinical trials using Roflumilast: -

 

Cognitive Effects of Roflumilast in MCI Patients (ROMEMA)

dose 50 mcg   100 mcg

 

Roflumilast and Cognition (EEGrofl) 

dose 100mcg, 300mcg, 1,000 mcg

 

Roflumilast: A potential drug for the treatment of cognitive impairment?

 Roflumilast is the one and perhaps the only drug which shows a dose dependent occupancy of PED-4 in primate models and at doses proven to be very safe in humans, has shown its efficacy in enhancing memory and cognition.

 

An experimental medicine study of the phosphodiesterase-4 inhibitor, roflumilast, on working memory-related brain activity and episodic memory in schizophrenia patients

This study consisted of a randomised, double-blind, placebo-controlled, crossover design involving 15 schizophrenia patients. In 3 treatment periods, patients were given 8 days of placebo or one of the two doses of roflumilast (100 and 250 μg daily) with 14 days of washout between treatments.

Results

Verbal memory was significantly improved under 250 μg roflumilast (effect size (ES) = 0.77) compared to placebo. fMRI analyses revealed that increasing dose of roflumilast was associated with reduction of bilateral DLPFC activation during working memory compared to placebo, although this was not statistically significant (ES = 0.31 for the higher dose). Working memory was not improved (ES = 0.03).

Conclusions

Results support the mechanistic validation of potential novel strategies for improving cognitive dysfunction in schizophrenia and suggest that PDE4 inhibition may be beneficial for cognitive dysfunction in schizophrenia.

 

Improvisation

I did recently write about Desmopressin nasal spray as a possible alternative to specially compounded vasopressin nasal spray.  I did actually order some, but what arrived was the tablet form of Desmopressin.

The advantage of Desmopressin over Vasopressin is that there already exists a nasal spray in your pharmacy. There is currently a worldwide availability issue. 

Fine tuning Social Behavior in Autism with an existing pediatric drug, Desmopressin?

Having recently been making Christmas Pudding and sweet mincemeat for mince pies, from raw ingredients and improvising for those not available, I think I can safely make my own Desmopressin nasal spray, and with the correct excipients. 

Due to Covid, we did not go to England at Christmas; setting Christmas Pudding on fire is something that Monty looks forward to.

Christmas pudding takes days to make and 8 hours to cook, then you leave it to mature.  You re-heat for Christmas lunch.

 


Sweet mincemeat is something that came to England with the returning crusaders.  Nowadays it is just made with dried fruit.  When the English established colonies in New England, they took the older version with them, which included actual meat.  Today in the US you have store-bought sweet mincemeat with ground beef in it, in the UK it has been meat-free for many decades. 



The fat in sweet mincemeat is suet.  In the UK and US, pre-packaged suet sold in supermarkets is dehydrated suet.

I had no idea what suet was, but I know it is not in my supermarket.  Suet is actually raw, hard fat of beef or mutton, found around the loins and kidneys.  Jewish people are not supposed to eat suet, but Muslim people apparently seek it out.  These days I think most is actually a vegetable substitute.  To follow the recipe, a friend helped out with some of this fat; I put a chunk of it in the freezer for a couple of hours and then grated it. You are supposed to coat with rice flour, if you want to store it for later use.

The recipe said 300g (10 oz) of suet but having grated half, I decided it was pretty disgusting and substituted butter for the remainder.

In the recipe are raisins, currants and sultanas, they are actually all slightly different.  In effect they are all dried grapes

 

Raisins, sultanas and currants

 

In the US, the term raisin is applied to both raisins and sultanas. To distinguish the two, sultanas are referred to as “golden” raisins.

Where we live, they are all just “dried grapes”.  The different types exist, but are called the same thing.

Candied peel and glace cherries were also a struggle to find, by this time I had decided to add dried blueberries and cranberries.

One day after the mincemeat jars were already full and maturing in the garage, candied peel and glace cherries turned up and got added.  There is a lot of brandy in the recipe and this is why you leave the jars to mature.

 



It was a lot of bother to make, but the resulting mince pies were really good.  The brandy carries the spices making it very fragrant, not at all like store-bought mince pies.

The Christmas pudding was set alight, in fact twice for good measure.

Compared to all that, how hard can it be to make desmopressin nasal spray?  It only has a handful of ingredients, after all. 


Sulforaphane

I first wrote about Sulforaphane from broccoli, back in 2014. Johns Hopkins have been researching this substance for decades.

What has happened to Sulforaphane for autism? Stuck as Complementary and Alternative Medicine (CAM) therapy forever?  Apparently so.

Sulforaphane has anti-cancer effects and is suggested for common cancers like that of the prostate.  A stable man-made version (an analog) was developed in the UK as drug to treat prostate cancer.  In France a modified broccoli-based OTC product is sold as another prostate therapy.

 

When it comes to autism, there have been a series of positive clinical trials.

Sulforaphane treatment for autism spectrum disorder: A systematic review

Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) is defined as a neurodevelopmental condition characterized by social communication impairment, delayed development, social function deficit, and repetitive behaviors. The Center for Disease Control reports an increase in ASD diagnosis rates every year. This systematic review evaluated the use of sulforaphane (SFN) therapy as a potential treatment option for individuals with ASD. PubMed.gov, PubMed Central, Natural Medicines, BoardVitals, Google Scholar and Medline were searched for studies measuring the effects of SFN on behavior and cognitive function. All five clinical trials included in this systematic review showed a significant positive correlation between SFN use and ASD behavior and cognitive function. The current evidence shows with minimal side effects observed, SFN appears to be a safe and effective treatment option for treating ASD.

 

The Johns Hopkins' researchers did spin off the idea to commercially exploit their findings.  The result is “True broc” from Brassica Protection Products.

 

https://truebroc.com/what-is-truebroc/ 

 

https://brassica.com/

 

Here you will find Avmacol and Thorne Crucera-SGS, among the products than include “True broc”.  

These products, along with Prostamol from France, are actually used in clinical trials.

The UK company Evgen is developing its stable analog of Sulforaphane for autism and other conditions.

https://evgen.com/technology/

I spoke to Evgen a few years ago and suggested their prostate drug might be used for autism.  You still cannot buy it, but there is a clinical trial for autism planned.

 

Do you need expensive broccoli supplements?

There are numerous cheap broccoli supplements and some moderately priced ones.

We know from the research that supplements generally are not reliable, because they often do not contain what is on the label.  This matters more with some products than others.  With broccoli products the big question is whether they really contain active myrosinase.  This is an enzyme that you need to make Sulforaphane when you eat broccoli.

Several years ago, when I started with Sulforaphane, I bought large tubs of Australian broccoli powder and one pack of Daikon radish powder.  Daikon radishes are rich in myrosinase and it is relative stable, so it can survive processing.  My idea was to start with just the broccoli powder and then, if not effective, add some Daikon radish powder for the extra myrosinase.  In the end I did not need to even open the Daikon radish powder.  A small scoop of this broccoli powder produced a profound effect, euphoria after minutes and then much more “speech”. Back then “speech” was more like babbling single words – but it was some kind of speech at least. 

Many people report broccoli powder improved speech, even parents of young Aspies report it. 

Some people found the effect on mood to be remarkable.

Long term users report that over time they have to increase the dose to maintain the effect.

It is important to note that for some people the benefit may not be from Sulforaphane, but rather from indole-3-carbinol (I3C).

 

Here I am quoting myself …

 

“PTEN is best known as a tumor suppressor affecting RAS-dependent cancer, like much prostate cancer. Activating PTEN is good for slowing cancer growth. As I mentioned in a recent comment to Roger, many substances are known to activate PTEN; a good example being I3C (indole-3-carbindol) which is found in those cruciferous vegetables (broccoli, Brussels sprouts, cabbage etc) that many people choose not to eat. PTEN is a well-known autism gene.” 

The research has now caught up: - 

Study hints at dietary chemical as therapy for type of autism

A compound derived from cruciferous vegetables, such as broccoli and kale, might limit the impact of certain mutations in a top autism gene, a new study suggests.

The compound, called indole-3-carbinol, or I3C, acts on the gene PTEN, a tumor suppressor. 

This does raise questions about the prostate cancer research.  A sulforaphane analog drug contains no indole-3-carbinol (I3C).

  

Does Broccomax “work” 

The easy to buy product is Broccomax.  In the research they do not seem to like it, but it does not include the True Broc product from the Johns Hopkins spin-off.

Anecdotally, Broccomax does “work” for autism, but less so than some expensive products.

My Australian broccoli powder is no longer made, but it was not expensive and it did “work”.

 

Spice up Broccoli with Wasabi?

In the original research from decades ago, the Johns Hopkins researchers combined Daikon radish sprouts with broccoli sprouts, the Daikon radish sprouts where there to provide myrosinase.  The product had to kept deep frozen.

Daikon radish is widely available and is a good source of myrosinase.

I was re-reading old research and noted one researcher advocating putting Wasabi on your broccoli – the spicier the better apparently. Wasabi is Japanese horseradish and is widely available.  If it comes on a large bottle is likely fake wasabi - yes like they fake saffron, they fake wasabi.

Is it crazy to add wasabi to your broccoli capsules?

Look at what is in the expensive Avmacol supplement that they only sell in North America.

 

 


In the research they found that adding just 0.25% Daikon to frozen broccoli “brought it back to life” and sulforaphane was found in the person eating it. 

If you are using gelatine capsules with broccoli powder you can open them and, using a pointed knife, add a small amount of wasabi, re-seal and then swallow.  There is no taste or smell of wasabi.

It is bit fiddly to do this, but you soon master doing it.

 

Calcium Folinate (Leucovorin)

 

There is a lot in this blog already about Calcium Folinate.  It should give some benefit to the 75% of autism who have a problem with folate transport across the blood brain barrier. 

One of the most prominent effects in responders is improved speech. Just look at the tittle of the clinical trial

 

Leucovorin for the Treatment of Language Impairment in Children With Autism Spectrum Disorder


The only issue with Calcium Folinate (Leucovorin) are the side effects, but Professor Ramaekers assures me that if you gradually increase the dose over several weeks, there should not be any.

The summer before Covid, at 45mg a day of Calcium Folinate, my son had much more expressive language and it was also more complex language.  The problem was aggression.

 

Conclusion

As you can see the 2021 to do list is mainly tying up the loose ends remaining from previous ideas, so I anticipate success.

Broccoli powder does still have an effect, but much milder than a few years ago.  Does wasabi increase the effect?  This is very subjective, having bought the little jar of Wasabi, I will continue to adding it to two capsules of Broccomax before breakfast.

Calcium Folinate did increase speech significantly at the large dose (3 x 15mg a day) in my original trial.  At the lower dose of 15mg the effect is present, but is mild, and short-lived for the first few days.   I will very gradually increase from a starting dose of 15 mg a day and see if it possible to avoid the negative effects.

I do like the idea of the tiny dose of Roflumilast.  It has multiple potential benefits:-

1.     Improve sensory gating and reduce Misophonia

2.     Improve cognition

3.     Potentially reduce NKCC1/KCC2 expression and so make bumetanide more effective.

Can this be achieved without nausea? I think it is likely a matter of perseverance.  In COPD the starting dose of roflumilast is half the maintenance dose, but the likely “autism dose” of 100mcg in an adult is less than half the COPD starting dose of 250mcg. 

The research already tells us the effective dosage (for 1 & 2), 100mcg in an adult, and importantly that the effect is lost at higher dosage; indeed, the recent trial in Mild Cognitive Impairment (MCI) included a dose as low as 50mcg.

You would have to find the therapeutic window.  You are changing the intracellular level of cAMP, which will have numerous effects, not just on HCN channels, but also on things like pCREB and BDNF.

I think 80mcg will be a good place to start.

There may, or may not be, an equivalent dose of Pentoxifylline/Ibudilast that gives a similar effect.  Ideally you would want all 3 effects.

A dose higher than 100mcg might have a beneficial anti-inflammatory effect and so help reduce NKCC1/KCC2 expression which increases (3) but at the loss of (1) and (2).

It would be interesting to know if Maja’s daughter has/had Misophonia and what has been the effect of her Pentoxifylline use.

The next question is how to reliably measure such small doses of Roflumilast.  This drug does not dissolve in water, but is highly soluble in ethanol.  You have the choice of cutting a pill containing 500mcg into 5-6 pieces (fortunately, it is a large pill), or just crushing the pill and then using microscales to fill new capsules, or make a tincture.  The tincture should be the most accurate.  Tinctures are widely used for OTC remedies like propolis.  A tincture has the advantage that you can easily vary the dose. In phase 1, where I just try it on myself, I have opted for the tincture. One tablet dissolves in 2ml of vodka (dilute ethanol) to make a paste, but was much more fluid in 3 ml (the 3rd ml added probably could be just water).  One half of an old propolis pipette contains 100 mcg duly dissolved in 0.6 ml of vodka. It tastes exactly like the original propolis tincture, because all you really notice is the ethanol. Most commercial propolis tincture is made with alcohol and uses a much more concentrated ethanol than you will find in vodka. 

I was asked by an autism Grandad at the 2019 Thinking Autism conference how his Grandson could be helped.  The young man is highly intelligent, but has a severe problem with sound sensitivity.  His family paid extra money for him to sit his final school exams in a room with no other students, but the invigilator was opening up candy to chew all through the exams and so the boy flunked the exams.   This young man has Misophonia and I bet would exhibit impaired P50 gating if given an EEG. Before exam time, he needs to block some of the HCN channels in his brain and reduce stress/anxiety.  He might well benefit from Roflumilast 100 mcg and Propranolol 20mg and then sail through his exams. 

I actually think that many people reading this post likely have Misophonia, that is if they are a relative of someone with polygenic autism.  In the literature Misophonia is claimed to affect more women than men, but I doubt that is actually true.  If you have autism, your doctor is highly unlikely to add a diagnosis of Misophonia. 

Is Desmopressin going to be helpful?  I had put Vasopressin down as a potential therapy more for Aspies, but our reader whose young child was prescribed Desmopressin nasal spray by her neurologist, noted a broad range of substantial improvements. Desmopressin is water soluble, so no vodka required.





46 comments:

  1. On my to do list is to : 1. try Malarone, to see if it is some kind of miracle thingy, 2. do the most hight tech analysis of stool, we never looked at it properly and maybe its something we can work on, 3. contact dr Ramaekers and look into folate issues, 4.remove tonsils on first sight of spring (its relevant for recovery that its not done in winter), 5. add more antiinflammatory things and do a round of MSC stem cells after 6 monthers after tonsillectomy (unless one more IVIG is needed for the pandas, which postpones the cells then again).
    In case the market shortage resolves, I would also try nasal oxytocine spray and introduce Tavegil again.
    Also, I am currently pursuing an Asperger diagnosis for myself and grappling with all of it on a personal level.

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    1. Tatjana, if you have Aspie symptoms, you could try the 1/5th pill of Daxas/Roflumilast. It is readily available locally as a COPD therapy. After 3-4 days the level has plateaued in your body and you may well feel different. If you feel no different, then it is not for you. It all depends what symptoms you have.

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    2. I will try it especially since my mother takes it anyway, and also for my daughter too. my aspie stuff seems less resolvable to me than my daughters autism, hinestly :-). if the day comes where I know what people really mean when they say things, it will be a miracle!!!

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  2. Hi Piter,
    do you know what should be the dose for Ibudilast (5y, 26 kg). I have ordered it from here https://bio-japan.net/ketas-ibudilast and it came to US and I am planing to give it a try.
    Also, have you heard of Radicava for ALS, it should treat Oxidative stress but I am not sure is it in same region of the brain that is affected compare to autism.

    Thanks,
    Katrin

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    1. Katrin, the only PDE inhibitor that has been studied in detail in autism is Pentoxifylline.

      A series of clinical trials in the 1970s and 1980s, in young children with autism, used Pentoxifylline at a dose of about 200mg a day, split into 2 equal doses. This is ¼ of the usual adult dose. The best responders tended to be the younger children.

      The approved dose of Ibudilast for adults with asthma in Japan is 10 mg, administered two times a day. For diseases of the CNS higher doses are being investigated.

      Japanese people are smaller than Western people and this is reflected in the dosage of their drugs.

      Starting at a dose of 1/4 of the adult dose would make sense in an experimental trial.

      It is quite possible, as with Roflumilast, that different doses have different effects on the brain, so its use is experimental.

      Radicava is a very expensive intravenous medication for stroke and ALS. It does not work very well for ALS. There are cheap antioxidants that do work for autism (NAC, ALA etc) that are known to be safe.

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  3. I believe I commented elsewhere on pterostilbene (PDE4 inhibitor without nausea effect) having several positive effects on my daughter including better receptive language.

    /Ling

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    1. Ling's comments on pterostilbene can be found here:-

      https://epiphanyasd.blogspot.com/2019/02/pterostilbene-for-neuromodulation-worth.html

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  4. Ha! I was chewing on taken (pickled daikon) as I was reading your blog!

    I had read about horseradish, and have been wondering if eating it more often together with the broccoli sprouts would do it. I understand the approach of using supplements, I like trying the foods and seeing what happens too.

    It's interesting that there are different ways to prepare daikon throughout east Asia, and I wonder if something about the fermentation/pickling process changes its nutrients, makes them available for assimilation in our bodies.
    I think there is inherit wisdom in traditional food systems that were developed through generations. - the what-is-paired-with-what, how it is prepared, etc.
    I've been reminded of this recently when reading about pellagra in the old world, as a result of introducing corn and treating it as a grain like wheat (amongst other factors). In parts of Latin America, corn is treated first with cal and this changes its chemical composition. Depends which type of corn too.

    And also, reading about cumin: cuminaldehyde affects glucose metabolism and is
    being investigated as a drug for diabetes type 2. That makes me wonder about all the spices used throughout the Indian subcontinent and their paring with say, carbohydrates.

    I wonder if perhaps here are other food sources of sulforaphane, that may be traditionally eaten with the daikon in those cuisines.

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  5. AH - forgot the question:
    Does the potassium not take care of the misophonia?

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    1. Increasing the level of potassium reduces sound sensitivity in my son, but you cannot keep increasing it.

      It seems to be the change in potassium that provides the benefit, rather than the actual level itself. So potassium is a short term fix that suggests a potassium ion channel is involved somewhere.

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    2. Potassium also helps me some, and I've been wondering if I need to increase it more (it also helps my muscles and heart, pointing towards hypokalemic periodic paralysis too). I believe you shared Dr. Segal's paper on hypokalemic sensory overstimulation before. There's a list on this site, of what can cause both disorders - I noticed mitochondrial disorders. SO mitochondrial dysfunction may do it too.

      Sounds are the bane of my existence, and have largely dictated how I have shaped my life.

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  6. hi, my daughter(who is not asperger) besides having some degree of misophonia, has strange reactions to sounds,seems to hear well almost inaudible sounds, i am wondering if she can hear infrasounds, but audiology testing is difficult, because she is not compliant.. carla marta

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    1. carla marta, I have noticed how some people with autism can have an extreme sensitivity to small changes in their picture of what should be present in their surroundings. Things like an open door that they think should be closed, a sound that “shouldn’t be there”. Most non-autistic people just do not seem to notice these things, but most likely their brain has just filtered them out as irrelevant inputs.

      I think the acuteness of hearing is not higher in autism, it is how our brains filter out “irrelevant data”; autistic people lack the filter. This is the idea of P50 gating, so if you can improve this sensory gating then the person will not be distracted and lose all focus and get upset.

      I think treating misophonia will go beyond just sound stimulations and may improve how all sensory inputs are processed and may include how we process repetitive thoughts that lead to anxiety. I think it may all come back to those HCN ion channels.

      I see therapy as being applicable to all severities of autism, not just Aspies.

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    2. Peter , my daughter seems to hear my subvocalizations...subvocalization or silent speech is the internal speech made when reading, it provides the sound of the wordas it is read (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subvocalization)while i am reading silently a book or something she never saw before she sometimes repeats my silent words as if she could hear them..it is difficult to describe these behaviors and it is strange

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    3. My son also can do this. A few years ago I was looking for a ladybug toy and he went over, found it, and handed it to me, no words were spoken aloud from either of us. I remember saying to myself in my head, where is that toy? He heard me apparently. It's extraordinary, to say the least. It has lessened but he sometimes still hears my thoughts if they are pronounced enough so I have to be careful. I think it's simply ESP, which is not uncommon in autism.

      Mkate

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  7. Hi Peter,

    You should look at New Zealand company foodplus.co.nz for powder and bulk powder for broccoli sprout powder. about 50-60% price of the aussie version once exchange rate considered. They freeze dry it, no heat, so doesnt affect myrosinase I believe? when I asked them about. they also said "Product has been through human trials at the Otago School of Medicine which showed that the reaction between glucoraphanin and myrosinase has occurred and triggered production of sulfurophane".

    May help you and others out there. Who knows, they may provide more scientific data around the amount of myrosinase in the product if asked/known.

    My issue is how to get it into son who only drinks juice and baby formula and wont eat general food or capsules. hopefully juice will mask any taste.

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    1. Broccoli powder does have a strong taste. You could start by adding a tiny amount to juice and slowly increase the dosage. It is the smell that is the worse part, so best to give it in an enclosed cup where you suck the juice, then you avoid the smell.

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  8. Excellent post Peter !!! And the previous one about behavioral problems was fantastic and helpful as well !

    I have been waiting for your polypill update and your plans. We will definitely try Leucovorin and Roflumilast as well, my son is good candidate for profiting from both / dominating problems in spontaneuos speech and understanding - in contrast to many other very well developed skills, and phenomenal hearing combined with excellent vocal and melodic imitation performance - but logically also with some sound sensitivities /.

    Unfortunately,Leucovorin seems to be extremely expensive in EU - a 3x15 mg dose per month would cost 510 euro... How much does it cost in the U.S. ?

    I owe you our experience with Betahistine / H3 histamine receptor blocker / - in 10 days trial it did not brought anything significant positive or negative. It was quite surprising to me, because we are allready succesfully adressing many histamine related and diagnosed problems / allergic, food, chemical / and thats why I have expected at least some gains.

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    1. Rene, look for generic calcium folinate, not the branded version. 20 pills is a few euros.

      I think you will find this one available is available in Slovakia. It is sold in the Czech Republic, see the link below.

      CALCIUMFOLINAT EBEWE
      http://www.sukl.eu/modules/medication/detail.php?kod=0096963&lang=2

      Ebewe is Austrian. It is the one I am using.

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  9. Speaking of calcium folinate, some very interesting research linking to the metabolite profile of mothers from 5 folate one-carbon metabolites and 48 other metabolites.

    Press Release:

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/01/210113132409.htm

    Paper:

    https://bmcpediatr.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12887-020-02437-7

    In particular, the research focuses on low levels of folate, B12, and carnitine in the mother which may be present not just after birth but during gestation as well.

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  10. Hi Peter

    Many thanks for your post.Its so helpful.I have so many questions if you do not mind.

    We are on the polypill now and I have added clemastine and leucovorin a few days ago.
    We also treated Pandas last two weekswith 5 days of prednisone.Vocal tics have gone but he does the occasional grunting and burping and eye contact is amazing.The way he stares directly into my eyes is so scary that I have to look away at times.This is a boy that can not look directly at you and has calmed down a bit and more eager to engage.

    I am planning to add Pentoxifylline and Roflumilast.What dose would you advise for a 6 year old weighing 24kg.I enquired and was told Roflumilast is available as 500mcg in Nigeria and Pentoxifylline as 400mg.Does Roflumilast do the same thing as Ibudilast?which would you advise out of the two.He does not have sound sensitivity but likes to close open doors,open cupboards ,put off lights ,close the gate after him if left open and little things that someone else would ignore.

    I am trying to source for Leucovorin,the France version is very expensive and the American one we use as the moment is very expensive too so I am looking for a cheaper versions.Do you know what the Czech brand is called and if it is available online.I checked the Ebewe link you shared but it needs a prescription .

    what brand of broccoli do you use and wasabi.We tried the French prostaphane but not sure if we saw any effects so I am looking to try an alternative .

    Do you also know if the Evgen brand of broccoli is available in the UK or only for clinical trials.

    Many thanks
    Apinke

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    1. Apimke, it is great that the vocal tic has gone away with a short course of prednisone. In the coming years if a vocal or motor tic re-occurs you will know what to do to make it go away.

      You would only want one of the three drugs (pentoxifylline, roflumuilast or Ibudilast). Pentoxifylline is the cheapest and has been used in several clinical trials in young children with autism. A typical dose used was 100mg twice a day. You can cut a 400mg in 4 pieces, but take after a meal to avoid GI side effects.

      Calcium folinate (Leucoverin) is a prescription product in most countries. An OTC version is sold by iHerb, as a liquid, (google “folinic acid iherb”. In Southern European countries this type of prescription product is often sold without the need for a prescription. It seems to be widely used in Greece, for example. It likely exists in Nigeria, but ask for generic calcium folinate.

      The less expensive versions will be un-branded and sold as either Folinic acid or Calcium Folinate.

      Not everyone responds to sulforaphane. Prostaphane is one of the good products. The broccoli powder I used several years ago is no longer made. Look on-line where you live for small jars of wasabi and buy the one with the highest content of wasabi in the ingredients, some have 0% actual wasabi.

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    2. Thanks Peter for your response .I will go for pentoxifylline as roflumilast is not in stock in most pharmacies we have checked .

      I will check for the calcium folinate too and see if we can get that too.

      We are in the Uk hopefully should be able to find some wasabi here and I will try the prostaphane again with it and see.
      Yes I am glad the tics have gone .I have saved some prednisone Incase we have another re occurrence .

      Many thanks for all your help
      Apinke

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    3. Merhaba Apinke prednizon ile tedavideki doz nedir. 5 yaş 21 kilo oğlum için kullanmak istiyorum. 5 yaş 21 kilo için hangi dozu kullanmalıyım. Pandalarla başımız belada.

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  11. Unfortunately, the iherb one is out of stock, there is this supplement one although it says: - “pure, bioavailable folate as folinic acid calcium salt per vegetarian capsule”.

    https://www.proactivehealthcare.co.uk/folinic-acid-800mcg-60-vcapsules-seeking-health

    Is this the same as calcium folinate? In other words, is the calcium folinate - folinate made from a calcium compound or just folinate with calcium artificially added? If that was the case would the same effect be created by simply adding two separate supplements folinate + calcium to the diet? Sorry I’m not a chemist.

    Although the obvious disadvantage is the iherbs one allows for a larger dose (which is needed) from multiple drops as opposed to multiple pills which is impractical. The obvious answer is the prescription high strength leucovorin.

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    1. Ross, I think you have answered your own question. The supplement from the UK contains just 48mg in total, that means eating 60 pills. All these products are the calcium salt of folinic acid. Wait until the iherb product is back in stock, they will automatically email you,if you request this. The generic calcium foliate 15mg is cheap but needs a prescription in the UK.

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  12. Hello Peter I hope you're well, I've never tried mince cakes, they must be delicious. If you have a chance to buy Mexican candies try ''Queso de Tuna'' it's my favourite, it's made from Prickly pears of the nopal.

    I haven't received the calcium folinate I ordered, I've been looking at Piracetam and LDN, but I was seeing that Piracetam has antiplatelet properties and may not go well with Pentoxifylline. I am trying it on myself though and it went well for the 3 days I took it, actually the third day I took just 400mg and it gave me a bit of a headache at first, but then I felt great, maybe people that meditate feel that way, no ruminating thoughts and I could focus, but I tend to have horrible migraines with aura so I think that maybe I'll try it with a choline supplement, so I stopped taking it and I feel not so good now, very down. I read about it having an effect in the Corpus Callosum, increases the activity of acetylcholine, and that it helped children with Dyslexia, also that it has an inhibition effect on CaV2.2, but there wasn't a full article, I was thinking it might help my son with communication.

    I also tried Diamox on myself and it actually worked very well, but I couldn't tolerate the side effects, so I didn't give it to him.

    About low dose Naltrexone, I was considering it because my son has been stimming a lot and he suddenly seems in another world, it even starts in the middle of an activity, he stimms and starts seeing the floor or the shadows, so I thought that if it might relate to PANS or PANDAS LDN seemed safe, but I found several comments about side effects people had, mostly related to serotonin syndrome, so it seems a very bad side effect, and I'm not sure now. For every intervention the interactions have to be considered, I guess that is the hard part.

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  13. Peter, recently I have been thinking. What if there is no autism? The brain, considering its location and barriers, has little choice except for encephalopathy, if it develops any metabolic problems. These problems can be caused by gut issues, genetic issues, a failed gaba switch (whatever the cause for that), atp issues described by Naviaux, and many more things. What if we are simply looking at an age in which the perfect storm of overbreeding, bad food quality and enviromental factors give rise to a lot of different encephalopathies? This seems like a significantly too big pill to swallow for the way the medical
    establishment is geared up now.

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    1. Tatjana, I would absolutely agree that there is no such thing as autism; and I am the one with the autism blog.

      It is just a convenient "catch-all" observation diagnosis for when the brain does not function quite as intended.

      This is why autism awareness is nonsense, because the word autism does not have a specific meaning. Overtime, it has become less and less meaningful, as its definition has been broadened.

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  14. Regarding subdividing autism into different disorders, this is talked about in this 2019 lecture by the simons foundation.

    https://www.simonsfoundation.org/event/autism-autisms-or-neurodevelopmental-disorders/

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  15. Hi Peter, I have been giving Pentoxifylline 400 mg a day for a month. I see an overall improvement in cognition.He catchs a cold more often also. Should I give him 400 mg twice a day? He is fourteen. The tablets have such a strong fuxia color that I have to wash them every time I give it to him.
    Valentina

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    1. Valentina, Pentoxifylline has a short half-life so its action does not last long. I would first see if 200 mg twice a day works better than 400mg once a day.

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  16. Hi Peter,

    Though this article is not even close to autism, it caught my eye.
    It's on treating diabetes type I with an old vaccine for tuberculosis, resulting in epigenetic effects raising glucose usage among many effects. I know you like clever ideas and this looks like one. :)

    /Ling

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  17. Hi Peter,
    Does it matter you think if the Pentoxyfylline is ER vs not? What do you use? Thanks!

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    1. SD, all the the research used the standard for of Pentoxyfylline, but the research likely predates the arrival of the ER version. I use the standard version, given twice a day after a meal.

      I would start with the standard version and, if it works, then see if the ER version gives any additional benefit.

      Pentoxifylline has multiple effects that might help autism. If improved blood flow is what is helping a particular person, then the ER version might well be better.

      In the case of Verapamil, people tell me that that ER version is less effective.

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    2. Ok, it looks like the more readily available version (in the US) is the extended release tablet (in fact, I can't seem to find immediate release in tablet form). From a cursory look I see mentions that this may improve GI tolerance. That said, I am able to only try a liquid so I was wondering if the folks who have trialed so far have use the ER version.

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  18. Hi Peter,

    We have been recommended a trial of Otezla for my 8yr old. Any insights on its effects and side effects?

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    1. Otezia (Apremilast) is a very expensive PDE4 inhibitor used to treat psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis.

      Unless your child has psoriasis, it seems an unusual choice.

      There are other cheaper and more common PDE4 inhibitors. Note that there are 4 sub-types of PDE4, which may account for which drug is selected for each condition.

      PDE4 do have dose dependent side effects like nausea and GI upsets, but these often fade after a few weeks.

      There is good reason to trial a PDE4 inhibitor for autism, the only question is which one.

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  19. Hi Peter,
    Could you please share what brand of Wasabi are you using / or planning to use? It would be great if you could recommend a reliable brand?
    Thank you
    Oktay

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    1. Oktay, wasabi, horseradish and mustard seeds all contain myrosinase. Most wasabi products contain little wasabi and instead they add horseradish and mustard seeds.

      As long as the product is very spicy tasting, it will contain myrosinase. These products are so spicy they are sold in very small tubes or tiny glass jars.

      You do not want a ketchup sized bottle of "wasabi sauce".

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  20. Hi Peter,

    I have recently switched from broccomax to avmacol, so will see how that goes. Meanwhile, this product in the link below (sulphoroboost) did caught my attention, which is believed to be competitive with broccomax or avmacol? it mixes myrosinase and glucorophan to let body turn into sulphorophane, which makes sense as you mentioned earlier that sulphorophane is very unstable. Any thoughts on this product possibly being more effective than other two?

    https://donotage.org/products/sulforaboost/

    regards
    Timur

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    1. Timur, please tell me what dosage of Broccomax did you use?

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    2. Juliya, i started one capsule then increased to two capsule considering unstable nature hence partial efficiency of these broccoli supplements. Now i am on avmacol and one caplet a day.

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    3. Peter, sorry question i asked may sound stupid actually (sorry about that), as i am just reading avmacol content again (amazing how quick i forget these details), looks like it is also doing the same - mixing of myrosinase and glucorophan. i dont why the recent video i watched by Dr Brad Stanfield (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNTimtz-5V0) did said that the new sulphoroboost is better because of that. looks like avmacol is doing same, so i may rather stay on avmacol and cycle it with broccomax see which one is the best responder to stay on.

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  21. Hi Peter, i have been using Avmacol for a year now (morning before breakfast). One thing i came across worries me that I3C reducing estrogen and I recently observed some hairing on the arms of my 7 years old. Just getting worried whether I3C from avmacol can impact estrogen/testosterone balance? Is this a fair concern? Thank you. Timur

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