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Tuesday 1 June 2021

Update on Roflumilast/Daxas as a PDE4 inhibitor for Autism

 


There is already quite a lot in this blog about using a PDE (Phosphodiesterase) inhibitor to potentially treat autism.

Readers might have seen the recent article below, in which a PDE-4D inhibitor raised cognition in adults with Fragile-X.

Drug boosts cognition in men with fragile X syndrome 

The study drug, BPN14770, is developed by Tetra Therapeutics, a clinical-stage biotechnology company in Grand Rapids, Michigan. It blocks the activity of phosphodiesterase-4D, an enzyme in the brain that degrades cyclic AMP. In a mouse model of fragile X, BPN14770 increased cyclic AMP and eased several fragile-X-related traits.

 

For the new work, 30 men with fragile X participated in a 24-week double-blind crossover study of the drug. The researchers randomly assigned each man to one of two treatment sequences: 12 weeks on the drug followed by 12 weeks on a placebo, or 12 weeks of placebo crossing over to 12 weeks on the drug. Researchers assessed all of the participants at the start of the study and during week 6 and week 12 of each trial sequence. They also asked parents and caregivers to rate changes in the men’s language, daily function and anxiety.

The treatment produced “significant improvement in the language and daily function measures that the families were rating, in conjunction with improvement on this objective test [NIH Toolbox] that’s very hard to have a placebo effect on,” says Elizabeth Berry-Kravis, professor of child neurology at Rush University Medical Center in Chicago, Illinois, who led the study.

 

Later on in the post is the science, which it does help to read. if you want apply it.

The research drug BPN14770 used in the Fragile-X trial is not something you can buy at the pharmacy, but there are PDE inhibitors available today.

I have written a post recently about the use of Pentoxifylline, which is a very cheap drug that is not selective, if affects many types of PDE not just PDE-4D. 


Pentoxifylline – Clearly an Effective add-on Autism Therapy for some

 

Today I am looking at Roflumilast/Daxas which mainly affects PDE-4.  There are 4 sub-types (isoforms) A, B, C and D.  Drugs that affect all these sub-types are called PDE4 pan inhibitors and they usually cannot be used in humans. due to severe nausea.

Roflumilast/Daxas is used to treat COPD/severe asthma at a dose just on the limit, where it begins to be effective and inhibit PDE in the lungs but before the nausea makes it unusable. There is research to make an inhaled version, which would make a lot of sense.

We are interested in PDE4 in the brain, not the lungs.  The effect of Roflumilast on PDE4 is unusual in that it is very dose dependent; too little and there is no effect, too much and there is no effect.  So, the amount of Roflumilast and its metabolites in your blood stream need to be within a tight range.

The median plasma half lives of Roflumilast and its N-oxide metabolite are approximately 17 and 30 hours, respectively.

This means if you give the same dose every day, the level of the metabolites will reach a steady state only after about 5 days.

As mentioned in an early post, roflumilast is not soluble in water, but it is in alcohol.  This means you can make a tincture, just like they do with bee propolis.  In fact, I am using an old propolis bottle, the type with a screw-on pipette.

We know from the research that in healthy adults a dose of 100mcg may be cognitive enhancing.

My target dose was 80mcg, but I wanted to be able to easily vary it.

Take an old propolis bottle and clean it with alcohol/ethanol/vodka.

In a small glass, dissolve 5 tablets (5 x 500mcg Daxas) in 15ml of vodka.  The tablets slowly dissolve; mix well and then use the pipette to transfer the fluid to the bottle and also figure out where on the pipette equates to 0.5ml. When I recently did this it took me 31 squirts, so by eye I was giving on average 83 mcg.

When I first started there was one day of dramatically increased speech, which I could not reproduce.  The first day of Pentoxifylline also had this effect. Pentoxifylline has a very short half-life.

Since at school Monty is having his year-end exams, I decided to focus on cognition.  I think my original dose was too high, more like 100 mcg.  Giving a little extra is something you have to resist.

Being a bit stingy (ungenerous) with the pipette, is what you have to be.

At close to 80 mcg a day, I am getting feedback from school that cognition is great.

Exams started and Monty is doing really well.  They are 90-minute exams and the fact that he is even there is amazing to me; that is down to 8 years of Bumetanide.

It looks like 80 mcg of Roflumilast does give an extra boost to cognition in a 60 kg boy.

Is it worth it?

One pack of 30 x 500mcg Roflumilast/Daxas tablets costs about EUR 40 (about 50 USD) in Europe, but at the 80 mcg daily dose it will last 6 months.

Monty has had been no side effects (nausea, GI etc), but this is very specific to the person. I myself did get GI side effects from 100 mcg.

   

Science that supports the use of a PDE4 inhibitor

There are many different types of PDE (Phosphodiesterase) and there has been a lot of research looking at their relevance to a wide range of neurological conditions.

The table below gives a useful summary, by disorder.

 

Neurodevelopmental disorders are highlighted in red. AD Alzheimer disease; ASD autism spectrum disorder; BP bipolar disorder; DS down syndrome; HD Huntington disease; ID intellectual disability; FXS fragile X syndrome; MDD major depression disorder, RTT Rett syndrome, SCZ schizophrenia.

 

This table is from an excellent paper published earlier this year.

 

Role of phosphodiesterases in the pathophysiology of neurodevelopmental disorders

Phosphodiesterases (PDEs) are enzymes involved in the homeostasis of both cAMP and cGMP. They are members of a family of proteins that includes 11 subfamilies with different substrate specificities. Their main function is to catalyze the hydrolysis of cAMP, cGMP, or both. cAMP and cGMP are two key second messengers that modulate a wide array of intracellular processes and neurobehavioral functions, including memory and cognition. Even if these enzymes are present in all tissues, we focused on those PDEs that are expressed in the brain. We took into consideration genetic variants in patients affected by neurodevelopmental disorders, phenotypes of animal models, and pharmacological effects of PDE inhibitors, a class of drugs in rapid evolution and increasing application to brain disorders. Collectively, these data indicate the potential of PDE modulators to treat neurodevelopmental diseases characterized by learning and memory impairment, alteration of behaviors associated with depression, and deficits in social interaction. Indeed, clinical trials are in progress to treat patients with Alzheimer’s disease, schizophrenia, depression, and autism spectrum disorders. Among the most recent results, the application of some PDE inhibitors (PDE2A, PDE3, PDE4/4D, and PDE10A) to treat neurodevelopmental diseases, including autism spectrum disorders and intellectual disability, is a significant advance, since no specific therapies are available for these disorders that have a large prevalence. In addition, to highlight the role of several PDEs in normal and pathological neurodevelopment, we focused here on the deregulation of cAMP and/or cGMP in Down Syndrome, Fragile X Syndrome, Rett Syndrome, and intellectual disability associated with the CC2D1A gene.

  

It looks like idiopathic autism has the least research, but there is an interesting old paper.

  

Expression of Phosphodiesterase 4 is altered in brain of subjects with autism

 

The cyclic adenosine monophosphate-specific phosphodiesterase-4 (PDE4) gene family is the target of several potential therapeutic inhibitors and the PDE4B gene has been associated with schizophrenia and depression. Little, however, is known of any connection between this gene family and autism, with limited effective treatment being available for autism. We measured the expression of PDE4A and PDE4B by sodium dodecyl sulfate-polyacrylamide gel electrophoresis and Western blotting in Brodmann's area 40 (BA40, parietal cortex), BA9 (superior frontal cortex), and cerebellum from subjects with autism and matched controls. We observed a lower expression of PDE4A5, PDE4B1, PDE4B3, PDE4B4, and PDE4B2 in the cerebella of subjects with autism when compared with matched controls. In BA9, we observed the opposite: a higher expression of PDE4AX, PDE4A1, and PDE4B2 in subjects with autism. No changes were observed in BA40. Our results demonstrate altered expressions of the PDE4A and PDE4B proteins in the brains of subjects with autism and might provide new therapeutic avenues for the treatment of this debilitating disorder.

  

Conclusion

It looks like Roflumilast/Daxas should join Pentoxifylline on the to-trial list for people with autism.

In my opinion the actions of Pentoxifylline and Roflumilast/Daxas are sufficiently different that conceivably some people might benefit from taking both.

I cannot see why someone with Fragile X should wait another decade for BPN14770 to maybe get commercialized.

There are PDE4 inhibitors in the pipeline for Alzheimer’s.  In my opinion the focus should be more on prevention.  By the time people get diagnosed with Alzheimer’s, it is too late to reverse it.

 



 

 

31 comments:

  1. Fantastically informative post as always Peter!

    I noticed no mention of Cnidium monnieri, or osthol, and related imperatorin on here, but it is helping me a fair bit - the Cnidium monnieri contains osthol and imperatorin, which increases cAMP and inhibit PDE 4, and perhaps lees so other PDE #s, they also act as mast cell stabilizers for my allergies, rhinitis, asthma, and hives.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30953868/

    I combine it with Tadalafil, Pterostilbene, and Nifedipine, life feels more tranquil with all these phosphodiesterase inhibitors, and all my issues with intermittent muscle cramps and muscle weakness, and Raynauds Syndrome have really improved.

    I tested positive for anti-Jo1 antibodies, these are presumably attacking my blood vessels, leading to poor circulation and causing my raynauds, and muscle cramps, and inflammations, even in my brain I imagine. I wonder how many other autistic folks may have autoimmune conditions like mine.

    I'm always interested in new phosphodiesterase inhibitors, they sure help me.

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  2. Sadly, roflumilast appears not to actually be available in the US currently! At least, it doesn’t show up on GoodRx, which is where I do price comparisons.

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    1. Sara, in the US it is also called Daliresp.

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    2. In the US it is 8 times the normal price. It costs $400, rather than $50.

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  3. Hi,from Wikipedia -- "Forskolin activates the enzyme adenylyl cyclase and increases intracellular levels of cAMP. cAMP is an important second messenger necessary for the proper biological response of cells to hormones and other extracellular signals." I don't know if Forsoklin is safe but I had always assoicated it with cAMP. Do you think this would be beneficial? Best, MH

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    1. I've been taking Forskolin, unfortunately it causes me and many others diarrhea, everyday I am on it. I actually quit taking it a few days ago for this reason, it's the number one side effect.

      I'm still curious about it and haven't given up on it, but am trying different things now (Astaxanthin and N-acetylglucosamine). I'd have to take it with loperamide or something similar as Forskolin speeds up the movement of the bowels, and possibly the intestines.

      When I was on Forskolin my mood wasn't quite as good, but it's better now that I stopped, but I'm not sure if it was the Forskolin. Possibly because I stopped taking my calcium channel blocker, as I've read they shouldn't be combined with Forskolin. I think the one day I combined Forskolin with my Nifedipine I felt a lot better.

      I would take Verapamil but Nifedipine has shown to relieve Raynaud's Syndrome much better than Verapamil, and my Raynaud's and associated auto-immune condition is causing me inflammation.

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    2. MH, supplements have multiple actions and I think the more targeted the therapy the better. Where possible, I would use a standardized drug.

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  4. Hi Peter,
    Is there anyone else whose child has benefitted greatly from Bumetinide like yours?
    Thanks
    SD

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    1. SD, based on the comments in this blog, I would have to say yes. The latest comment a few weeks ago referred to Bumetanide as having been a "game-changer", which is a good way to describe its effect in a genuine responder.

      The good news is that the phase 3 clinical trial is on track and it is expected that Bumetanide will get approved in Europe as the first therapy for core features of autism.

      As readers of this blog know, it is unlikely that any autism drug will be effective in all autism. My guess is that 40% of level 3 autism will be responders.

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    2. Hi Peter.
      Are you talking about the Neurochlore trial? I thought that trial was a failure since there was no significant improvement in the primary outcome. Is it still continuing ? Where can I find more info regarding this ?
      Also, by when can we expect this trial to get over ?
      Thanks.

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    3. Hi Sree, yes the Neurochlore trial.

      I was told all is going well, but now it is becoming more commercially sensitive what they can say.

      The best source of information is to contact Neurochlore.

      It is amazing that the first trial was published in 2012 and we are still not finished with this subject.


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  5. It appears that Jarrow NAC Sustain, an extended release NAC supplement, has been discontinued. Does anyone know of another NAC extended release supplement? This has been such a long-standing staple for my son.
    Thanks
    Nancy

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    1. Nancy, unfortunately the FDA in the US wants NAC to be sold as a pharmaceutical and not a supplement. Most likely, Very soon there will be no NAC for sale in the US without a prescription. This probably means no NAC will be produced in the US for sale anywhere else - the end of NAC Sustain.

      In the rest of the world I presume the gelatin capsule version of NAC will be available.

      You may still be able to buy the gelatin capsule version of NAC, before supplies run out.

      There is a very similar product to NAC called ALA, they are both "thiol anti-oxiodants". ALA has not yet been banned by the FDA.

      There is an ALA Sustain product made by the same people as NAC Sustain. I would suggest you buy one pack and try it.

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    2. Peter,
      What about using an aged garlic extract product? Would S-allyl cysteine (SAC) not work just as well?
      ~Tanya

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    3. Tanya, it looks like many sulfur/sulphur containing foods like garlic and broccoli do increase your level of GSH. Gluthatione (GSH) is the antioxidant that NAC and ALA increase.

      Caffeine also increases your level of GSH.

      Note that gluthatione taken orally is very poorly absorbed, so it seems no point to buy gluthatione supplements.

      It is well established that aged garlic has more potent and indeed additional effects beyond fresh garlic.

      How much garlic = one tablet of NAC Sustain? I have no idea!

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  6. Hi Peter

    Please do you know of any therapies that can promote or regulate autophagy.I have tried to read up but I am also confused .I just heard back from Richard Boles secretary yesterday and was told he's not licensed to treat in the UK and only just in some states in the US and he will need to contact my Dr here to collaborate with him which I know will be impossible here on the NHS as they believe autism is not treatable but I will still speak to the Drs here to see of if will be possible but I doubt it.

    The geneticist called back today and said they don't have the AMBRA 1 gene on the NHS as an autism gene and that they are still doing their research and they don't have it listed as a risk gene.She confirmed that his dad and I do not have the gene from the tests done and will be sending me the comprehensive results so I can go through.

    Guanfacine has helped a bit with calming and I just added pentoxifylline yesterday and monitoring blood pressure though I give Pentoxifylline in the morning and guanfacine at night.

    Thanks
    Apinke

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    1. Apinke, I would suggest you ask your geneticist if he/she is willing to talk to the US autism geneticist. I think he really should say yes, even just out of curiosity. This might help things move along.

      Increasing dietary spermidine can be used to treat cognitive decline in old people with poor autophagy.

      Spermidine is a Polyamine, which you can also look up.

      One of the best sources of spermidine is wheat germ. There was a German research team trying to make a product based on wheat germ to treat dementia. I seem to recall they used wheat sprouts, which you can even grow at home.

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  7. Is there a chance to buy somewhere in EU roflumilast without prescription? I would like to test if my son would respond to these small doses.
    Years ago I administered to him bumetanide since there was a chance to buy it from Mexico. Now I can't find it and that is sad since Tobi responded well on it.

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    1. los palos, I know that you can buy bumetanide in Spain without a prescription, just ask nicely for Fordiuran (bumetanida). It may very well be possible to buy Daxas (Roflumilast) as well.

      Some English people have gone to Spain and rather naively asked the pharmacist if they need a prescription, to which they are told yes. If they put their 3 euros on the counter and said "Fordiuran por favor", the result would be different.

      I think Bumetanide is more important than Roflumilast.

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  8. Peter thanks a lot for tip on Spain, will try it first online and if won't succeed will plan some holiday there.

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  9. Good Morning

    I read in an article on this blog about a cocktail with L-carnitine, Q10 enzyme and alpha lipoic acid for mitochondrial disease

    Melisa

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  10. Peter, is roflumilast dosed by weight?

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    1. Sara, it looks like children do need a lower dose than adults, but it may not follow exactly a per/kg basis.

      A five year old has an adult sized brain in a small body.

      In my 60 kg son the effective dose is 60 mcg. The suggested adult dose for cognitive improvement in NT people, patented by the University of Maastricht, is 100 mcg.

      Because Roflumilast stays in your body a long time, it will take up to 4-5 days to reach the peak concentration in blood. So that means giving your dose of perhaps 50 mcg each morning and looking for a benefit to develop around day 4 or 5. If the dose is too high, you will overshoot the effective range and maybe see an increase in anxiety.

      The cognitive benefit I see is subtle, not profound.

      Other people are using Ibudilast, which has the same mode of action as Roflumilast, so I do not think it is my imagination.

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  11. Hello. can i replace vodka with whiskey in rofluminast dilution? what do you think?

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    1. Roflumilast dissolves in ethanol (but not water) so any food grade alcohol will work. Vodka has the least taste, but whiskey would also work.

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    2. guy, my kid 3y so maybe alcohol not good idea. how use Roflumilast ? maybe Crush into water and stir before using like clonazepam ? is it ok>

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    3. It is very hard to sub-divide a pill into many tiny equal amounts. You can crush and use micro-scales. If you have time and patience, this is effective.

      In many countries parents give propolis tincture to very young children. The solvent used to make the tincture is usually ethanol. So, they are giving alcohol to their 2 year old, albeit a miniscule amount.

      In the case of Clonazepam some people get a compounding pharmacy to make them the tiny doses.

      Have you checked your child does not have Fragile X? This test is now a routine first step for a child with impaired cognition in many countries.

      It looks like many children with ID and also some elderly adults who develop low IQ have elevated chloride in their neurons. They are the people who should respond to bumetanide.

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    4. You could try propylene glycol as the solvent. It might well work and it is alcohol free.

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    5. too hard to check Fragile X at my country. you think what drugs is best to Fragile X?

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    6. You can also diagnose from facial features. Look at images of boys faces with Fragile X. The ears are very specific.
      Metformin and Lovastatin seem to help in Fragile X. It looks like bumetanide works based on published case studies.

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  12. So my kid seem normal, his face normal. i think microgila and synap purning is problem, but i cant find tavegil, do you know some online store can sell clemastine and ship to vietnam. i search and all of them dont ship to vietnam. i bough miccil too, from one guy from mexico and one month and dont see this package, this guy said wait more. i want try clemastine too. its OTC so maybe more easy to buy. plz send me some where to buy clemastine

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